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The Aerial's just a remodeled Lfrith, and that Suletta is Eri, effectively debunking the whole crazy ass theory about Aerial being a brain in a jar situation with Eri and Suletta being a separate character
Yeah, this seems to torpedo the various grimdark fan theories about the Aerial.Omega wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:38 pm So the web story effectively says that
Which means since Suletta is only 16 at the end of it, it takes her a year to get to Earth in time for the main series where she's 17. This seem about right to you guys?Spoiler
The Aerial's just a remodeled Lfrith, and that Suletta is Eri, effectively debunking the whole crazy ass theory about Aerial being a brain in a jar situation with Eri and Suletta being a separate character
Huh, I don't think so.
Yeah, exactly this;Seto Kaiba wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:55 pmSpoiler
Unlike Suletta, the Aerial remembers being in the Earth Sphere, why it had to leave, and what the probable consequences of returning are if it's discovered to be a Gundam. There's only one MS that fits that bill in the story so far, and that's the Lfrith prototype Ericht and Elnora escaped in.
But it's also possible that's something Mom told it, possibly while working on its programing. We also see it near the end of the short story that she does speak with it alone. It's not unreasonable to assume that they do this from time to time.Seto Kaiba wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 4:55 pmSpoiler
Unlike Suletta, the Aerial remembers being in the Earth Sphere, why it had to leave, and what the probable consequences of returning are if it's discovered to be a Gundam. There's only one MS that fits that bill in the story so far, and that's the Lfrith prototype Ericht and Elnora escaped in.
Not really...
It doesn't remember being told about the Earth Sphere... it remembers the Earth Sphere itself (as in, it remembers actually being there).
It's stupidly obvious that she is... not only do they have the same voice actress, they've got physical features like hair color, the shape of their eyebrows, etc. in common, and the ages and remarks about the passage of time all line up. It's not like Elnora had a backup child stashed somewhere.
I read the story again, the closest things that imply that Aerial were in Earth sphere is how it note how they can't "go back" there. Which might be poetic speaking since their Mom came from there after all, the other times it mention Earth are when it note how Suletta learned about Earth from all media in its library and how Mom running back and forth between Earth and Mercury for her work.Seto Kaiba wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:57 amIt doesn't remember being told about the Earth Sphere... it remembers the Earth Sphere itself (as in, it remembers actually being there).
Seto Kaiba wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 3:57 am It's stupidly obvious that she is... not only do they have the same voice actress, they've got physical features like hair color, the shape of their eyebrows, etc. in common, and the ages and remarks about the passage of time all line up. It's not like Elnora had a backup child stashed somewhere.
You might want to read it again, then.Kuruni wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:42 am I read the story again, the closest things that imply that Aerial were in Earth sphere is how it note how they can't "go back" there. Which might be poetic speaking since their Mom came from there after all, the other times it mention Earth are when it note how Suletta learned about Earth from all media in its library and how Mom running back and forth between Earth and Mercury for her work.
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And of course, if Aerial has Ericht's mind, then she was being there.
So all those references to "daughter" in there? That's Suletta. The Aerial's narration notes that "Mom" (Prospera/Elnora) came to Mercury with her daughter (Suletta) seeking refuge. It also notes that Suletta was too young to remember having lived in the Earth Sphere, confirming that she isn't some kid Prospera recruited on Mercury and implying that it CAN remember having been in the Earth Sphere. She, not the Aerial, is the daughter that Prospera brought from the Earth Sphere. It also knows about its creators being condemned as Witches and the disassemble on sight order out for it because it's a Gundam, which is something Suletta apparently does not know.Suletta's mother is my developer, as well as a Gundam test pilot.
Kuruni wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 5:42 amAs for remark of time passage, it would still line up if Suletta is different person from Ericht. Aerial only count Suletta's age without ever relate it to Elnora's escape.Spoiler
The same for Elan and we just saw two of him together. Of course, Elan the 4th was surgically changed. But we still has the possibility of the good old cloning method l.
I did. I even checked the original Japanese text and aware that "Mom" is indeed explicitly stated to be Suletta's mother. I also see no reason to doubt that her daughter" who came with her to Mercury is Ericht. However...Seto Kaiba wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 4:24 pm You might want to read it again, then.
The Aerial is quite direct in saying that Suletta is the daughter of its developer.Suletta's mother is my developer, as well as a Gundam test pilot.
Mafty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 4:53 pmSpoiler
Definitely, this also falls into the issues of resources , or lack therefore. Ceres and the Peli group had a large amount of resources at their disposal for their schemes. Elnora was a nobody, only notable for being one of the two survivors of the attack, she had no resources to do anything at first, even the others at Mercury took time accepting them. This does bring up another question, how many people know Prospera's identity? Is it a greater plot from Mercury? Or is Elnora merely acting alone? Obviously nobody in the Earth Sphere knows this, but is it established how much of Prospera's plans the people at Mercury know of?
I'm not surprised. Hell, look at all the folks practically insisting that this G-Reco-level cheerful series needs to be darker than IBO. No, it can't be that our protagonist's mecha is just an AI, her mom had to have...
So, basically, you just wish the show were grimdark.
Kuruni wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 11:00 pmSpoiler
If Suletta is indeed Ericht's clone then she would still count as her daughter, a different daughter to Ericht. And while there's no reason to "impersonate" Ericht, she being the sole person to fully utilize GUND-Arm without any visibly adverse effect is a valid reason to make a genetical back up of her.
Less of wish and more about "would not surprised if they pull it". Ironically, I got called naive when I mentioned in YT comment that I hope the show won't become too dark (as in become completely void of funny moment)
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That assumes cloning technology even exists in this setting at all, that it's possible in a remote and unstable region like Mercury, and that our Char Clone has the resources to arbitrarily clone her daughter to pilot the zero other Gundams she has sitting around.
This whole theory is just completely insane.
Considering the show's producer, writer, et. al. have commented that they are trying to keep this one more accessible to new audiences because they finally noticed that younger viewers find Gundam's unrelenting darkness off-putting, tend to avoid the gory death scenes, etc., I doubt they will let this one get excessively dark. I kind of expect G-Witch to end up in the same basic level as G-Reco as a lighter and softer Gundam.
Kuruni wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:50 amSpoiler
Whether they have viable cloning tech or not is indeed something we've to wait and see. But if it is and Suletta's birth date is indeed 4 years after Prologue (using 21 years timeframe), then it would be reasonable that Mom would already find a foothold in Shin Sei for some time by and get some backup by then. After all, she can find enough resources to convert Lfith into Aerial (if anything, the idea that she converts Lfith into Aerial by herself within two years is equally questionable).
We've already seen the mass-production Gundam Lfrith in-series. Right after the title card in the prologue, we're treated to a television broadcast that includes images of several mass-production Lfriths on the Ochs Earth factory floor. It's mentioned that the Front 3rd Autonomous Sector had already approved a budget to purchase them for its forces. The Vanadis Institute's Folkvangr research facility had two of them in addition to a prototype and those two units fought Cathedral's Dominicus corps with Nadim Samaya and Wendy Orent as their pilots.Kuruni wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 8:50 am As for other Gundam... We should learn about it, no, them by March. They might be Cathedral's knock off based on Lfrith's data, but it's equally possible that they would be Shin Sei's true mass produced Lfrith.