EGUM, Nouveau, and AEUG Hardliners after the First Neo Zeon War

[Changa]

Greetings once again, my honored elders! It's been about a year since I've been in need of answers, but like the Nightmare of Solomon, I have returned! This time, pivoting back to more Federation-aligned factions... or at least, factions that were Earth-aligned.

My understanding of what happened to the AEUG is as thus:

Gryps broke them. The AEUG didn't lose, but the Battle of Gryps was at best a pyrrhic victory that they never got the chance to enjoy before the survivors were scattered by Haman's Neo Zeon. The AEUG would then spend the rest of the war mostly on the backfoot, either being unable to regroup in any meaningful capacity or just rejoining the EFSF and sitting out most of the war, save the Argama.

It's after the First Neo Zeon War that gets me questioning, though. It's said that Bright managed to wrangle out Londo Bell from the EFF higher-ups (presumably with backing from the AEUG sponsers) and promptly folded back into the Federation ranks, but not everyone went with him, or was happy that the AEUG was seemingly done. I haven't read Hi-Streamers yet, buy from what I've heard, EGUM in there is little more than a front for Newborn Neo Zeon set up by Char, and I think it was the same for Nouveau, from what I remember (they might be the same thing?).

But, I have read parts of F90FF, enough to know that by the UC 110s, EGUM was on its last legs and was seemingly a legitimate AEUG remnant fighting for its dead dream, led by an AEUG veteran (who doesn't, of course, have a wiki page, but is called Commander Trovaldyo), though they're referred to as "zealous Char Deikun supporters" and "former AEUG terrorists."

So, my questions to you, my honored elders, is thus:

What happened to the AEUG remnants immediatly after the First Neo Zeon War? How many refused to join the Federation? Are EGUM and Nouveau the same thing? And what was their part to play in Hi-Streamers?

[Seto Kaiba]

Gryps broke them. The AEUG didn't lose, but the Battle of Gryps was at best a pyrrhic victory that they never got the chance to enjoy before the survivors were scattered by Haman's Neo Zeon. The AEUG would then spend the rest of the war mostly on the backfoot, either being unable to regroup in any meaningful capacity or just rejoining the EFSF and sitting out most of the war, save the Argama.

Nah, the AEUG may have taken heavy losses relative to the organization's small size fighting the much larger and better-equipped Titans but their win was anything but phyrric. They finished the war in de facto control of the Earth Federation.

When all is said and done, the main reason the AEUG broke up and was gradually reintegrated into the Earth Federation Forces was because its main organizational objective was achieved. The AEUG was, in simplistic terms, founded to resist the Titans. The Gryps conflict ended with the Titans not just defeated and decimated but dissolved and branded as war criminals and terrorists. The repressive policies that gave rise to the Titans were, for at least a brief time, withdrawn. For many in the AEUG's ranks it was simply "Mission Accomplished" and they rejoined the Earth Federation Forces. Without Brex and Casval holding things together on the ideological side, the group simply broke up because their fight was over.

The AEUG wasn't a monolithic organization, however, so while a lot of the group was EFF soldiers who were rebelling against the Titans and the EF's repressive anti-colony policies there were colonists and ex-Zeon types mixed in there too who had other issues with the Federation government that went beyond just "F the Titans". Those folks who still had an axe to grind with the EF were the ones who formed the so-called "radical" faction of the AEUG that went on to become EGUM/Nouveau. That they ended up aligned with Neo Zeon isn't particularly surprising, since a fair number of them were likely ex-Zeon to begin with.

[Seto Kaiba]

So, my questions to you, my honored elders, is thus:

What happened to the AEUG remnants immediatly after the First Neo Zeon War? How many refused to join the Federation? Are EGUM and Nouveau the same thing? And what was their part to play in Hi-Streamers?

Missed this bit at the end.

In short, the AEUG remnants who hadn't already dispersed and rejoined the Earth Federation Forces by the time the First Neo Zeon War ended in UC 0089 would be reorganized and formally integrated into the Earth Federation Space Forces as Londo Bell in UC 0090.

Because the AEUG was a volunteer force made up of basically anyone who wanted to oppose the Titans and the oppressive anti-spacenoid policies being put into place by the Earth Federation at the time, some members of the AEUG with extreme anti-Federation views or those loyal to Char after the Dakar speech opted to oppose the AEUG's integration into the EFSF. Some simply dissolved their forces. Some banded together to form EGUM and became anti-Earth Federation terrorists by UC 0093. They supported Char's Neo Zeon in Hi-Streamer out of loyalty to Char himself, but in later periods refused to align themselves with Zabi loyalist Zeon forces. There seems to have some kind of organizational schism at some point as "EGUM" and "Nouveau EGUM" are both active in UC 0116.

As to "how many"... we don't know. Gundam tends to avoid giving exact numbers for a lot of things to avoid writing itself into a corner with the many, many side stories and whatnot that it likes to do. In Hi-Streamer they were a very small group that helped Char escape the Federation's forces with just 3-4 mobile suits. They become more of a problem in the UC 0110s.

[Mafty]

Given how it's a different adaptation of the story (Both by Tomino) does EGUM appear in the Beltrochika's Children Manga?

[Deacon Blues]

Given how it's a different adaptation of the story (Both by Tomino) does EGUM appear in the Beltrochika's Children Manga?

No, it's limited to Hi-Streamer, Gundam UC, and Gundam F90FF.

[False Prophet]

How many people here want to bet that among the Federation officials who sold out the Federation to Haman's Neo Zeon, there were some who were Titans sponsors wanting to hide behind Zeon so that they wouldn't have to answer for their crimes? It's very possible that one reason why the first half of the First Neo Zeon War was so bad for the AEUG and Karaba comes down to infighting in the Federation to push back their control of the legislative and military.

[Seto Kaiba]

How many people here want to bet that among the Federation officials who sold out the Federation to Haman's Neo Zeon, there were some who were Titans sponsors wanting to hide behind Zeon so that they wouldn't have to answer for their crimes? It's very possible that one reason why the first half of the First Neo Zeon War was so bad for the AEUG and Karaba comes down to infighting in the Federation to push back their control of the legislative and military.

I guess that would depend on how broadly you want to define "Titans supporters".

After all, Jamitov Hymem sold the Earth Federation government on the idea of an elite anti-Zeon force by capitalizing on the political fallout from the Delaz fleet's Operation Stardust. He exploited the lingering trauma of the One Year War and the renewed fears that the remaining Zeon forces could reestablish the Principality of Zeon and launch a disastrous new war against the Earth Federation.

Ironically, the very boogeyman he was using to scare Federation officials into granting him ever more political and military authority would turn out to be quite real. For double irony, he ended up being hopelessly ill-equipped to actually deal with the problem because the dimwittedly gung-ho officers he put in charge of the Titans day-to-day operations (Bask Om and Jamaican) were adherants of the "Bigger hammer" school of problem solving and couldn't seem to stop committing atrocities for more than five minutes at a go. So his anti-Zeon force ended up getting bogged down in fights with anti-Titans rebel groups that popped up across the Earth sphere instead of Zeon forces, losing support until they were forced to try to pull an Enemy Mine situation with Axis Zeon, the resurgent Zeon they were literally created to destroy.

(This just goes to show that people are the weak link in every organization.)

A lot of people supported the Titans simply because they had seen, firsthand, what a resurgent Zeon meant. Death. Wholesale destruction. Colony drops. They weren't aware that the Titans were just as bad until the AEUG spoke at Dakar. The Venn diagram of people who oppose Neo Zeon and who support the Titans organizational goals is basically a circle, so they're unlikely to have supported Neo Zeon. There may have been a couple of people who defected because they were afraid to face the music after the Titans were defeated and disbanded... like the survivors of the New Desides... but they were likely few and far between because most of the Titans died in the Gryps conflict and the remaining ones who were the real believers in the organization's goals would likely have been REALLY gung-ho about fighting Neo Zeon after being reassigned to dead-end postings as punishment upon reintegration into the EFF.

[False Prophet]

I guess that would depend on how broadly you want to define "Titans supporters".

After all, Jamitov Hymem sold the Earth Federation government on the idea of an elite anti-Zeon force by capitalizing on the political fallout from the Delaz fleet's Operation Stardust. He exploited the lingering trauma of the One Year War and the renewed fears that the remaining Zeon forces could reestablish the Principality of Zeon and launch a disastrous new war against the Earth Federation.

Ironically, the very boogeyman he was using to scare Federation officials into granting him ever more political and military authority would turn out to be quite real. For double irony, he ended up being hopelessly ill-equipped to actually deal with the problem because the dimwittedly gung-ho officers he put in charge of the Titans day-to-day operations (Bask Om and Jamaican) were adherants of the "Bigger hammer" school of problem solving and couldn't seem to stop committing atrocities for more than five minutes at a go. So his anti-Zeon force ended up getting bogged down in fights with anti-Titans rebel groups that popped up across the Earth sphere instead of Zeon forces, losing support until they were forced to try to pull an Enemy Mine situation with Axis Zeon, the resurgent Zeon they were literally created to destroy.

(This just goes to show that people are the weak link in every organization.)

A lot of people supported the Titans simply because they had seen, firsthand, what a resurgent Zeon meant. Death. Wholesale destruction. Colony drops. They weren't aware that the Titans were just as bad until the AEUG spoke at Dakar. The Venn diagram of people who oppose Neo Zeon and who support the Titans organizational goals is basically a circle, so they're unlikely to have supported Neo Zeon. There may have been a couple of people who defected because they were afraid to face the music after the Titans were defeated and disbanded... like the survivors of the New Desides... but they were likely few and far between because most of the Titans died in the Gryps conflict and the remaining ones who were the real believers in the organization's goals would likely have been REALLY gung-ho about fighting Neo Zeon after being reassigned to dead-end postings as punishment upon reintegration into the EFF.

A few months ago Deacon Blue posted the translation of a pretty interesting article about the Shuttle Gundam (https://zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=10281). I'd like to quote a particular section of it:

EXPANSION OF MILITARY POWERS & SUPPRESSION OF SPACENOIDS

During this period, when the functions of the Earth Sphere were completely paralyzed, the Federation government granted autonomy to each Side, but it refrained from offering more substantial aid, using the destruction of navigation and communication networks as an excuse. While Side 6, which had been neutral, and Side 3 (formerly the Principality of Zeon) that had managed to avoid a homeland decisive battle, were somehow maintaining their functions, Sides 1, 2, 4, and 5 were in a state of socio-economic devastation. The lack of support from the Federation amounted to abandonment. Consequently, law and order in these colonies crumbled dramatically, plunging the inhabitants into turmoil. The respective governments lacked the power to restore normalcy, leaving them with no option but to seek the Federation Forces’s help to maintain order(N6). However, the Federation Forces exploited this situation, subtly expanding its power under the guise of assisting the weakened governments.

Brutish, military-style oppression was exerted not only on criminals but also on discontented Spacenoids.

The hunting down of former Zeon soldiers was also persistent and ruthless, often indiscriminately affecting ordinary citizens.

However, there were those within the Federation government and military who did not view the Federation Forces’s burgeoning reputation as an oppressive organization favorably.

It seems like the Federation didn't really help the matter with their attitude towards the space colonies after OYW. You'd think that there'd have been a lot of people from Side 1, 2, 4 and 5 who hated Zeon for all the slaughtering and colony drops and et cetera. Could the Federation had capitalized on the sentiment by launching a Marshall Plan to assist the reconstruction of the colonies? Were they at any state to do such a thing? I don't know. But it also looks like the Federation missed the eight years between OYW and Gryps War to stamp out Contolism/Zeonism as an ideology one and for all.

But my main question is that were the Titans even given the jurisdiction to be a colonial military-police (gendarmerie) force? Were they created like that, or did they begin as a special forces before accumulating more and more power? They were called in as the last resort during the Bunch 30 riot, but was that a peacekeeping operation on paper and Bask Om made the decision to gas the colony on his own, or did some Federation functionary declared the colony enemy territory and the order to gas it came from above?

What I want to get here is: Did the Federation make a hard distinction between anti-authority movements and actual Zeon supporters? Sure, there were probably plenty of Federation officials and officers wanted to exterminate Zeon completely by supporting the Titans. But how many just wanted to use the Titans as the hammer to crush any opposition to the Federation?

I remember watching ZZ immediately after Zeta, and when I watched the episode about the Dublin Colony Drop, my immediate thought was: "Just how many Federation officials dined with the Titans on one night, danced in the ballroom with Haman's Zeon on the next, and then ran away when the colony dropped on the morning after?" I don't want to talk about the true believers. I want to talk about the cowards and the opportunists. Were the First Neo Zeon War not happened, AEUG and Karaba should've had purged all of those assholes from the Federation.

The creation of the Man Hunters, the mistrust directed at Londo Bell and the deliberate attempt to impair their capability, and then the sale of Axis to Char. These actions showed a Federation that had become increasingly regressive, oppressive, elitists and inward looking. Did it dawn on these people that it had become impossible to expand and consolidate the Federation's quasi-imperialist power, and so it'd be better for the elites to just look after their holdings on Earth? It's the fall of Rome all over again.

[Seto Kaiba]

It seems like the Federation didn't really help the matter with their attitude towards the space colonies after OYW. You'd think that there'd have been a lot of people from Side 1, 2, 4 and 5 who hated Zeon for all the slaughtering and colony drops and et cetera.

Granted, the Federation's Earth-first attitude when it came to policy decisions was a very real problem that frequently became a cause for violence in its own right (e.g. Hathaway's Flash).

With that said, the Federation was also between a rock and a hard place in the aftermath of the One Year War the choices it did make regarding the postwar administration of the colonies and maintenance of public order were likely choices between two frankly awful options. The One Year War's got a pretty solid claim to being the most destructive war in human history up to that point (and beyond). The war's death toll alone would likely be beyond catastrophic in economic and societal terms. That damage would only be exacerbated by the massive infrastructure damage sustained on Earth and between the Sides in the fighting. It's entirely possible that, between the apocalyptic expense of the war, the loss of infrastructure, and a host of other issues, the resources to simultaneously address the issues on Earth and in space simply didn't exist. A state of de facto martial law in the colonies may have been unavoidable with the massive loss of manpower that could've assisted in maintaining public order and ensuring the smooth flow of relief supplies.

Could the Federation had capitalized on the sentiment by launching a Marshall Plan to assist the reconstruction of the colonies? Were they at any state to do such a thing? I don't know. But it also looks like the Federation missed the eight years between OYW and Gryps War to stamp out Contolism/Zeonism as an ideology one and for all.

I don't think stamping that ideology out is even necessarily possible, because it's driven in part by the socio-economic inequalities built into the Earth Federation government. The colonies are where the "teeming masses" live, and Earth is largely reserved for the comparatively well-to-do. Without a reformation to move towards a more egalitarian ideology like what the Federation was initially founded on in UC 0001, the Federation's own policies would give rise to an endless series of uprisings among the marginalized colony inhabitants.

But my main question is that were the Titans even given the jurisdiction to be a colonial military-police (gendarmerie) force? Were they created like that, or did they begin as a special forces before accumulating more and more power? They were called in as the last resort during the Bunch 30 riot, but was that a peacekeeping operation on paper and Bask Om made the decision to gas the colony on his own, or did some Federation functionary declared the colony enemy territory and the order to gas it came from above?

The respective governments lacked the power to restore normalcy, leaving them with no option but to seek the Federation Forces’s help to maintain order(N6).

The Titans were founded as an elite special forces unit and given broad authority to carry out their mission to root out any remaining Principality of Zeon forces in the Earth sphere. In practice, their actual mandate was more like "identify and suppress any spacenoid threat to the Federation". So they didn't have to mince words much to convince themselves that spacenoids who spoke out against the Federation's various anti-spacenoid laws and policies were de facto "anti-Federation agitators" and potential threats. Whatever additional authority they needed to become space cops likely came from the Side governments who invited them in to preserve public order.

If you don't know anything about the kind of people in the Titans, it makes pretty good sense. The Sides invited the military's elite troubleshooters to help maintain order amid widespread and justified anti-government unrest. Where it breaks down is that those elite troubleshooters were extremist anti-spacenoid paranoiacs who saw opposition to the government as tantamount to treason. With people like that running the show (e.g. Bask Om) bloodshed was all but inevitable.

Most publications I've read lean towards Bask Om having ordered the massacre of 30 Bunch on his own authority. The Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam Encyclopedia straight-up describes him as a might-makes-right power tripper who occasionally forgets that he (theoretically) has to answer to a higher authority as the Titans frontline commander. Several books (incl. the light novel version of Zeta) lean heavily towards the idea that Bask and Jamaican were the ones responsible for the atrocities the Titans committed and that they used information control to keep their crimes secret from the rest of the organization including Jamitov himself.

What I want to get here is: Did the Federation make a hard distinction between anti-authority movements and actual Zeon supporters? Sure, there were probably plenty of Federation officials and officers wanted to exterminate Zeon completely by supporting the Titans. But how many just wanted to use the Titans as the hammer to crush any opposition to the Federation?

As a whole? No.

The Titans were established to appease a traumatized population who'd lived through the One Year War and had just been re-traumatized by Delaz's dumbass stunt, leading them to push for a security force that could make sure that would Never Happen Again. They were an organization with the goal of ensuring the Principality of Zeon could never rise again and of preventing the formation of any other spacenoid state that might undertake a similar war against the Federation. A mission like that inevitably attracted the power hungry and amoral, and so the organization ended up having a number of highly-placed total bastards like Bask Om and Jamaican Dunnigan who took its objective to the logical extreme of suppressing all anti-Federation dissent... ironically giving rise to a spacenoid-heavy anti-Federation armed force in the AEUG.

Once the truth came out at Dakar, the general populace was quietly horrified by what the Titans had really been doing and public opinion flipped almost 180 degrees to supporting the AEUG's mission to suppress the Titans and protect the rights of spacenoids. That both sides sustained such heavy losses ultimately meant no lasting change was made in the government, with Char unable to maintain Brex's ideological leadership.

[False Prophet]

Most publications I've read lean towards Bask Om having ordered the massacre of 30 Bunch on his own authority. The Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam Encyclopedia straight-up describes him as a might-makes-right power tripper who occasionally forgets that he (theoretically) has to answer to a higher authority as the Titans frontline commander. Several books (incl. the light novel version of Zeta) lean heavily towards the idea that Bask and Jamaican were the ones responsible for the atrocities the Titans committed and that they used information control to keep their crimes secret from the rest of the organization including Jamitov himself.

The thing is, how the hell did Bask get his mitts on G3 Gas? Did he just find an abandoned Zeon depot full of chemical weapon? Or had the Titans already made the thing before the Bunch 30 massacre and were just waiting for a chance to use it?

The second question is: Just how much was Jamitov aware of his direct subordinates' crimes? You're telling me that the guy who went through the Stardust Incident and had a hand in it did not detect anything wrong when an entire colony went dark just a few days after the an entire place was taken over by "rebels"? When he knew about the capability of his own Titans troops? I know that UC space colonies are relatively isolated, but come on.

And after he found out the truth, why didn't he punish Bask and Jamaican in any way? You just have to ask did it really matter if these two gassed the colony on their own if their action still furthered Jamitov's political ambition?

Didn't the Ghiren's Greed games create an entire scenario where the Titans won, only then to reveal that it was all Jamitov's own scheme to gather the worst anti-Spacenoids in one place and make them public enemy number one, and he was actually pro-space immigration?

[Seto Kaiba]

The thing is, how the hell did Bask get his mitts on G3 Gas? Did he just find an abandoned Zeon depot full of chemical weapon? Or had the Titans already made the thing before the Bunch 30 massacre and were just waiting for a chance to use it?

Hm... y'know, I honestly do not recall any source mentioning where (or how) specifically Bask Om's forces acquired the G3 gas used in the 30 Bunch incident. I've checked most of the usual sources, like the Gundam Officials, the Zeta Gundam Encyclopedia, Entertainment Bible, etc. and while they all generally agree that G3 is even worse than the GG gas used by Zeon in the OYW and that Bask Om was responsible for ordering its use, none say how he obtained it.

Given the story's thematic fondness for having the Titans repurpose Zeon's military developments (e.g. the fusing of Zeon and Federation tech in the Hizack), it strikes me as likely (but unverifiable based on the books I have to hand) that G3 gas was a chemical agent Zeon developed but was never able to use thanks to the Antarctic Treaty.

The second question is: Just how much was Jamitov aware of his direct subordinates' crimes? You're telling me that the guy who went through the Stardust Incident and had a hand in it did not detect anything wrong when an entire colony went dark just a few days after the an entire place was taken over by "rebels"? When he knew about the capability of his own Titans troops? I know that UC space colonies are relatively isolated, but come on.

Most information about Jamitov comes from secondary sources (artbooks, the novel, secondhand accounts from other characters) so it's hard to say for sure. He spends most of the series focused on politicking inside the Earth Federation government, and then trying to rope Axis Zeon into a Enemy Mine situation against the AEUG, before finally being assassinated.

Considering his goal was a Gihren-esque genocide, he may simply not have cared if a colony went dark due to a pandemic like the Titans claimed or poison gas.

In the manga and novel versions, he knows and finds Bask's excessive use of force annoying because it's politically counterproductive.

Didn't the Ghiren's Greed games create an entire scenario where the Titans won, only then to reveal that it was all Jamitov's own scheme to gather the worst anti-Spacenoids in one place and make them public enemy number one, and he was actually pro-space immigration?

I've never played Gihren's Greed, so I couldn't say.

[ORegan]

The thing is, how the hell did Bask get his mitts on G3 Gas? Did he just find an abandoned Zeon depot full of chemical weapon? Or had the Titans already made the thing before the Bunch 30 massacre and were just waiting for a chance to use it?

I don't think it's ever stated, but honestly, Bask's acquisition of the ultra nerve gas is probably the least important aspect of the event, and any reasonable head-canon works. Could he have simply requisitioned it in the "no-no weapons storage warehouse" where the EFF keeps all the unused nukes? Possibly. Other valid methods could be staging an attack on a cargo ship delivering it to a decommissioning plant, having Titan scientists make it, or even using the G3 Gundam to produce it. Ok maybe not the last one.

The second question is: Just how much was Jamitov aware of his direct subordinates' crimes? You're telling me that the guy who went through the Stardust Incident and had a hand in it did not detect anything wrong when an entire colony went dark just a few days after the an entire place was taken over by "rebels"? When he knew about the capability of his own Titans troops? I know that UC space colonies are relatively isolated, but come on.

And after he found out the truth, why didn't he punish Bask and Jamaican in any way? You just have to ask did it really matter if these two gassed the colony on their own if their action still furthered Jamitov's political ambition?

He had to be aware. The Titans ARE still a military organization and operation reports, even those conducted in secret, would still be relayed to him. It'd just be filed in a special file cabinet labeled S for Secret. He may not have known what they'd be doing in the moments beforehand, but he wasn't blissfully unaware after the fact.

And Hymen's underlings are co-conspirators in a lot of his schemes. Fingering them for wrong doings or any effective discipline for acts like 30 Bunch would be begging for a licking of his own. That is not a euphemism.

Didn't the Ghiren's Greed games create an entire scenario where the Titans won, only then to reveal that it was all Jamitov's own scheme to gather the worst anti-Spacenoids in one place and make them public enemy number one, and he was actually pro-space immigration?

Didn't play Greed but I wouldn't hold much stock in that even if it does happen in the game. Honestly it just reminds me of the fan theory/excuse that Emperor Palpatine was really the good guy because he was preparing the Galaxy for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion.

[Seto Kaiba]

Didn't play Greed but I wouldn't hold much stock in that even if it does happen in the game. Honestly it just reminds me of the fan theory/excuse that Emperor Palpatine was really the good guy because he was preparing the Galaxy for the Yuuzhan Vong invasion.

If Gundam Perfect File World Guide Zeta 03-30A "Earth Supremacy" is any indication, it's not too far wide of the mark.

The aforementioned Sheet, which is titled "The Earthnoid's Chosen People Ideology inspired by the Ere-ism Tradition", talks about the philosophy that Jamitov Hymem personally ascribed to and built the Titans organization around militarily and politically.

What it describes is a philosophy not unlike the Principality of Zeon's Zeonism, which was a mixture of Contrism/Side Nationalism and the pervasive unscientific belief in goal-oriented evolution that underpins Newtype theory. Earth supremacists followed the same basic tenets of Ere-ism, the view that Earth was sacred and that it needed to be regenerated. They were also similar to Zeonism in the belief that Humanity needed to be ruled by the Chosen People in order to preserve the Earth. Where they differed was the belief that Earthnoids, not Spacenoids, were the Chosen People and that Newtypes were an aberration and a threat to Humanity's future. (It's also said that it wasn't a clearly defined ideological system like Zeonism was... but a broad alignment of belief that sprang up in the years after the One Year War that could be tentatively called a single philosophy.)

Like Gihren, Jamitov hated the Earthnoid elite who did not care about the destruction of the environment. It's even said that he sympathized with the Zabi family to an extent, developing a similar plan to institute autocratic rule and provoke a genocide to cull the Human population for the sake of the Earth's environmental recovery. The sheet suggests that the Titans and his promotion of Earth supremacist philosophy were a means to that end, exploiting the anti-spacenoid views that developed in the wake of the One Year War to gain the political power he'd need to become the autocratic ruler of Earth.

Jamitov wasn't pro-space emigration. But was pro-Ereism and wanted to just kill people off instead of essentially exiling them into space.

(It's also noted at the end that the Titans being leaders in the development of Cyber-Newtypes was counter to the organization's philosophy, though it hypothesizes that they may have engaged in a bit of moon logic to justify it to themselves since the Cyber-Newtypes were products of technology not "evolution" (mutation) it was in keeping with the idea that Earthnoids were superior. It's suggested that the development of the NT-D system was one outgrowth of this philosophy too.

[Mafty]

From that , Jamitov's philosiphy sounds like Char's plan in CCA and the even more extreme versions seen in F91(The Bugs) and Victory(The Motorad Fleet and Angel Halo).

[Seto Kaiba]

From that , Jamitov's philosiphy sounds like Char's plan in CCA and the even more extreme versions seen in F91(The Bugs) and Victory(The Motorad Fleet and Angel Halo).

That's horrifying in hindsight, thank you.

The Universal Century seems to have an awful lot of sociopolitical ideologies based on Ere-ism that lead to advocating for autocratic rule and large-scale genocide in order to restore Earth's environmental balance. Did Zeon Zum Deikun open Pandora's Box there with his Ere-ism that became the foundations of Contrism (Side Nationalism), or was this an inevitable course of events and he was just the first one whose hot take blew up into an actual mass slaughter?

Ere-ism seems to have been elevated to the point of becoming the dominant religion by the end of the Universal Century. The SU Cordism practiced on Earth in the Reguild Century is an Ere-ist philosophy that forbids technological advancement and advocates for sustainable civilization by forcing symbiosis between Earthnoids and the remaining Spacenoids through the orbital elevator they call the Space Umbilical Cord.

(Perhaps not all that bad an idea, given that the resource crisis at the end of the Universal Century got so bad that cannibalism became a part of the culture to the extent that Reguild Century civilization is still deconstructing a caste system that included a caste of "emergency rations".)

[ORegan]

If Gundam Perfect File World Guide Zeta 03-30A "Earth Supremacy" is any indication, it's not too far wide of the mark.

The aforementioned Sheet, which is titled "The Earthnoid's Chosen People Ideology inspired by the Ere-ism Tradition", talks about the philosophy that Jamitov Hymem personally ascribed to and built the Titans organization around militarily and politically.

~A whole bunch of things, pretend this is paraphrased~

But does any of that state the Titans were formed specifically to be an organization filled with space racists for the rest of humanity to rally against?

[Seto Kaiba]

But does any of that state the Titans were formed specifically to be an organization filled with space racists for the rest of humanity to rally against?

That's why I said it's not too far wide of the mark.

Jamitov Hymem's Titans are meant to be an army of Space Racists and they are kind of meant to be rallied against in a way. It's just that the intended end result isn't spacenoid liberation. It's for Jamitov to subvert the Federation from within and turn it into an autocracy in which the "Chosen People" will lead a purge of most of humanity in order to protect Earth's environment.

Basically Gihren's endgame, except with the roles of the Spacenoids and Earthnoids switched.

[Deacon Blues]

The aforementioned Sheet, which is titled "The Earthnoid's Chosen People Ideology inspired by the Ere-ism Tradition", talks about the philosophy that Jamitov Hymem personally ascribed to and built the Titans organization around militarily and politically.

The problem with the articles is that they're written in the far future, looking back and making (often not) assumptions. Because on the very next page, we're told:

Organizations and Adherents
Earth Supremacy ideology was primarily championed by Jamitov Hymem's military faction, the Titans, and certain Earth Federation Forces personnel. While Jamitov's personal belief in the ideology remains uncertain, his followers were apparently convinced of Earth's supremacy.

For those interested in the article (Earthnoid Elitism Born from Ere-ism) and the tone it strikes, I have it available from my translation archives:

Spoiler

EARTHNOID ELITISM BORN FROM ERE-ISM

Earth Supremacism emerged as a radical doctrine championing Earth Sphere governance by a chosen elite of Earthnoids, supposedly for Earth's restoration. This ideology gained prominence through Jamitov Hymem, the architect of the Titans, ultimately becoming the cornerstone of their philosophical foundation. A defining characteristic was their deep-seated suspicion and fear of Newtypes.

The ideology's emphasis on Earth's resurrection clearly betrayed its roots in Ere-ism's sacred view of Earth. However, it diverged significantly by embracing a stark Earthnoid-centric elitism, making it fundamentally incompatible with Contolism (Side nationalism), despite their shared Ere-ism heritage. This philosophical stance, coupled with their inherent distrust of Newtypes, positioned them in direct ideological opposition to Zeonism, which had woven Newtype theory into Contolism.

Earth Supremacism drew from wells deeper than just Ere-ism. While never crystallizing into a formal philosophical system, it undeniably absorbed the superiority complex of upper-class Earthnoids, their deep-seated contempt for Spacenoids, and their primal fears of Newtype potential. Ironically, the Earth Federation's elite - from government officials to high-ranking military brass - continued their environmental devastation of Earth, embodying only the darkest aspects of Earth Supremacist ideology.

Jamitov himself presented a fascinating contradiction - an Earthnoid elite who harbored intense hatred for fellow elites who ravaged the environment. Yet he found common ground with the Zabi family's attempted genocide under the guise of environmental protection. Their brutal calculus - attributing environmental destruction to population growth and advocating for rule by an elite minority - left an indelible mark on Jamitov's thinking.

His ultimate vision, according to some sources, was chillingly ambitious: establishing an iron-fisted dictatorship within the Federation and igniting a massive conflict to purge humanity's ranks - Earthnoids included. The stated purpose remained environmental protection and management, with Earth Supremacism and the Titans allegedly serving as mere stepping stones toward this grand design. This strategy cleverly satisfied the Federation elite's superiority complex while designating Spacenoids and Newtypes as existential threats.

Whatever Jamitov's true motives, Earth Supremacism found fertile ground among Federation Forces, particularly Earthnoid personnel. Beyond the Titans, this ideology infected the New Desides rebellion during the Gryps War's final stages, and Admiral Brian Aeno, who brazenly labeled Spacenoids as 'aliens.'

Perhaps most revealing was the Titans' aggressive development of Cyber-Newtype. Beyond mere military advantage, they likely saw these artificial creations as an ideologically acceptable counter to naturally evolved Newtypes. This thread continued into the UC Project of the 0090s, centered around the NT-D system, which sought to neutralize Newtypes through technological means (including their ideology) - a clear indication that Earth Supremacist thinking survived the Titans' downfall.

[Seto Kaiba]

The problem with the articles is that they're written in the far future, looking back and making (often not) assumptions.

Other books are less ambiguous about it. The Rapport Deluxe Zeta Gundam Encyclopedia, for instance, describes Jamitov as sympathizing with Gihren's logic and his argument that the solution to Earth's overpopulation is wiping out the population and placing Earth under the control of a military dictatorship.

Jamitov's profile page in Gundam Perfect File also describes him in less ambiguous terms as being deeply concerned about the deterioration of Earth's environment and planning to use the Titans to incite conflict between Earthnoids and Spacenoids so he could ovethrow the existing system to instate a new order.

[Deacon Blues]

Other books are less ambiguous about it. The Rapport Deluxe Zeta Gundam Encyclopedia, for instance, describes Jamitov as sympathizing with Gihren's logic and his argument that the solution to Earth's overpopulation is wiping out the population and placing Earth under the control of a military dictatorship.

Sure, he romanticizes Gihren's ideology, but there is nothing in the text that suggests he supports the methodology. Jamitov believed it wasn't wise to parade around the dictatorship angle. I'm not disputing the fact that he agrees the chosen elite should stick around while others die out (there is nothing in there that advocates culling, mass genocide, or bloodshed, for that matter etc.). None of that would align with the comments Tomino mentions in the Zeta novel (which is a bulk of what all of this lore comes from anyway). The end goal was to starve the Earth Sphere economy through war, hence the military power grab. You send the inept and incompetent into space to develop the colonies, thus removing humanity from the planet. The elite would stick around thinking everything is peachy-keen, refusing to leave, thus dooming themselves to starve on the planet.

Here's what the encyclopedia says for the benefit of viewers at home who don't own the book (I suggest citing from the books in the future for the benefit of readers, Seto):

Jamitov Hymen served as the supreme commander of the Titans and operated as a shadowy power broker within the Federation. He found resonance with Gihren Zabi's ideology, believing that Earth had become overpopulated and that only the chosen few should survive while others perished. Though he understood Earth's ongoing environmental degradation, his methodology for addressing it was fundamentally flawed. During the One Year War, he lurked in the depths of Jaburo, issuing commands from the shadows. His rise to power began when he established the Titans and gained control over the Federation Forces and government, effectively becoming a behind-the-scenes puppet master of his era. His financial backing came from his position as chairman of Earth's gambling syndicate. A master strategist, Jamitov manipulated public sentiment by exploiting the unhealed wounds of war. He spread fears about Spacenoids potentially creating a second Principality of Zeon, using this narrative to establish the Titans and secure Federation funding. In essence, Jamitov embodied the distortion of an Oldtype whose soul remained bound by Earth's gravity. His death at the hands of Scirocco on the Gwadan—the very person he had intended to use—perhaps symbolizes that he was never meant to survive in the new era.

Moving on to the next point...

Jamitov's profile page in Gundam Perfect File also describes him in less ambiguous terms as being deeply concerned about the deterioration of Earth's environment and planning to use the Titans to incite conflict between Earthnoids and Spacenoids so he could ovethrow the existing system to instate a new order.

There's never been any doubt he was concerned over the planet. The doubt comes from whether he truly believed in things like massacring entire colonies like in the Colony 30 Incident and whatnot. You forget that he was a master of political warfare. A brilliant strategic planning, commanding presence, and unmatched political cunning meant he rarely needed to dirty his hands with direct combat. His true genius manifested in the diplomatic arena, where he excelled at complex negotiations and political machinations between competing factions.