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So is it ever explained when exactly Jaburo was built? Was it built at the start of the Universal Century? Or was it built in the UC 70's? The only informative I can easily find is in the Origin(which falls into the whole manga/anime canon thing) which seems to indicate that Jaburo is fairly new, or was even completed during the war.
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Mafty wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:18 am So is it ever explained when exactly Jaburo was built? Was it built at the start of the Universal Century? Or was it built in the UC 70's? The only informative I can easily find is in the Origin(which falls into the whole manga/anime canon thing) which seems to indicate that Jaburo is fairly new, or was even completed during the war.
Before going into any sources, I can say that it started being EFF's HQ before OYW because Gihren threatens to toss Lunar 2 on Jaburo early in the war and Operation British's target was originally Jaburo.
Officially there aren't any records of when it started building as EFF's HQ.(Gundam Officials entry specifically stated that it was not officially publicised) but before OYW in the 0070's it already worked as the centre of power.
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Then it probably was a relatively new base at the time of the OYW, especially when you consider the fact that tensions would have likely been brewing for quite a number of years before the outbreak of hostilities. Plus Jaburo is more than just a manufacturing facility, it's the command center for a lot of the military, and holds great strategic value. It makes sense that the official files were hidden(and it's possible regular citizens weren't even aware of it's location, it was after all hidden underground). So the characters discussing the cost of with were probably talking about the recent history of it's construction, rather than stating directly it was a brand new location.
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Mafty wrote: Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:18 am So is it ever explained when exactly Jaburo was built? Was it built at the start of the Universal Century? Or was it built in the UC 70's? The only informative I can easily find is in the Origin(which falls into the whole manga/anime canon thing) which seems to indicate that Jaburo is fairly new, or was even completed during the war.
Not that I can find... as with a lot of things in Gundam, if it isn't directly relevant to the plot it often simply isn't addressed.

Origin is, of course, its own thing.

Most of the sources I can find only really refer to Jaburo as being the Earth Federation Forces overall headquarters during the One Year War. That doesn't necessarily mean it was a recently constructed base, as it could have existed for decades prior to that and simply had the responsibility for the command of the Earth Federation Forces transferred to it because it was hardened against bombing and nuclear strikes. If I had to guess, I'd assume that it was probably developed into its present form as part of the Federation's Year 60 armament reinforcement plan in parallel with the militarization of several other installations like Luna II.

Odds are Federation miltary command was somewhere less remote prior to the outbreak of hostilities between the Federation and Side 3.
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Maybe it was some kind of remote fortress or command center (like Greenbrier Bunker or NORAD, or something). Like if the worst case scenario happened , it was a underground city the Federation government could flee to. Then when the outbreak of war occurred it was decided that Jaburo was the best location for their main command (SPOILER) which begs the question of where exactly the Federation goes to after they blow up their most secure base on earth, but it's not like the Federation is known for foresight, especially because it seems their economic downturn and stagnation in the Second Universal Century, means they never build another base like this.(Even the Earth Alliance had more terrestrial and lunar bases after they blew up JOSH-A).

As you've said the Origin is it's own continuity. This combined with the vague history of Jaburo itself means that it's easier for the writers to decide that Jaburo is newer in that continuity(Also it's location is changed from the Amazon Rainforest to the Guianan Highlands, which according to some sources is actually more practical because the ground is better suited for construction in the Highlands). Plus the conversation merely refers to how much was spent on Jaburo and how little they are willing to spend on Newtype research(which also varies from the Anime continuity where the EF ends up with multiple facilities and hi tech equipment in the later OYW and coming wars).
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Mafty wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:38 am Maybe it was some kind of remote fortress or command center (like Greenbrier Bunker or NORAD, or something). Like if the worst case scenario happened , it was a underground city the Federation government could flee to. Then when the outbreak of war occurred it was decided that Jaburo was the best location for their main command (SPOILER) which begs the question of where exactly the Federation goes to after they blow up their most secure base on earth, but it's not like the Federation is known for foresight, especially because it seems their economic downturn and stagnation in the Second Universal Century, means they never build another base like this.(Even the Earth Alliance had more terrestrial and lunar bases after they blew up JOSH-A).

As you've said the Origin is it's own continuity. This combined with the vague history of Jaburo itself means that it's easier for the writers to decide that Jaburo is newer in that continuity(Also it's location is changed from the Amazon Rainforest to the Guianan Highlands, which according to some sources is actually more practical because the ground is better suited for construction in the Highlands). Plus the conversation merely refers to how much was spent on Jaburo and how little they are willing to spend on Newtype research(which also varies from the Anime continuity where the EF ends up with multiple facilities and hi tech equipment in the later OYW and coming wars).
The Titans didn't completely destroy Jaburo. I don't recall if it was 120km or 200km, but this thing is actually comparable in size with Lunar II at least in length. And the structure is strong enough to take nuclear explosions on the surface. As long as they do not use excessive power, the cavern is going to remain pretty much intact. Granted, they will have to resurvey it to make sure it doesn't collapse, but that likely is pretty trivial. But Titans only destroyed the central command building and its surroundings and other parts of the base was still in use in 0090(MSV-R RoJR)
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Mafty wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:38 am Maybe it was some kind of remote fortress or command center (like Greenbrier Bunker or NORAD, or something). Like if the worst case scenario happened , it was a underground city the Federation government could flee to.
Given that Jaburo was specifically chosen for its size and its natural defenses making it highly resistant to conventional attack, it was probably built where it was specifically as a highly fortified command center in the event that the Federation Forces ended up at war. There was a significant arms buildup, especially with an eye towards space, in the Year 60 Armament Reinforcement Plan.


Mafty wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:38 am Then when the outbreak of war occurred it was decided that Jaburo was the best location for their main command (SPOILER) which begs the question of where exactly the Federation goes to after they blow up their most secure base on earth, but it's not like the Federation is known for foresight, especially because it seems their economic downturn and stagnation in the Second Universal Century, means they never build another base like this.(Even the Earth Alliance had more terrestrial and lunar bases after they blew up JOSH-A).
Odds are the Federation didn't really have a lot of time to consider the question until after the Titans were defeated and the Second Neo Zeon War that followed hot on their heels ended. By that point, there really wasn't a credible threat to the Federation's control of the Earth sphere. The worst that the Federation had to deal with was Char's Neo Zeon movement, which was only able to pose the threat it was because it was chronically underestimated by the Federation government. After that, it was all small-time outfits like the Sleeves and Mufti. Small-time spacenoid terrorist organiations that had no real ability to fight the Federation Forces in a massed battle. That let them get good and complacent until the Zanscare Empire started landing its troops on Earth. Odds are they probably never felt the need to construct another massive central command like Jaburo.


Mafty wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:38 am Plus the conversation merely refers to how much was spent on Jaburo and how little they are willing to spend on Newtype research(which also varies from the Anime continuity where the EF ends up with multiple facilities and hi tech equipment in the later OYW and coming wars).
The Federation were johnny-come-latelys to the whole Newtype thing. The only reason Zeon took it seriously from the outset was that they basically hero-worshipped Zeon Zum Deikun, who predicted the emergence of newtypes among spacenoids.
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