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Why didn't Banagher take Banshee back to the Garancieres? It seems like just leaving one of the most powerful weapons in your enemy's possession is a really dumb idea.
EscapeArtist wrote:Question about this episode, I don't think the answer was in the OVA:
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Why didn't Banagher take Banshee back to the Garancieres? It seems like just leaving one of the most powerful weapons in your enemy's possession is a really dumb idea.
J-Lead wrote:Spoiler
What's he gonna do, carry it across the ionosphere? He was consuming thrust like a mofo as it was, and Zinnerman's not a mobile suit pilot, so it's not like he could have commandeered it.
He got who they came for; Marida. Trying to take the Banshee with them at that point would not have been a prudent effort.
J-Lead wrote:EscapeArtist wrote:Question about this episode, I don't think the answer was in the OVA:
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Why didn't Banagher take Banshee back to the Garancieres? It seems like just leaving one of the most powerful weapons in your enemy's possession is a really dumb idea.Spoiler
What's he gonna do, carry it across the ionosphere? He was consuming thrust like a mofo as it was, and Zinnerman's not a mobile suit pilot, so it's not like he could have commandeered it.
He got who they came for; Marida. Trying to take the Banshee with them at that point would not have been a prudent effort.
azrael wrote:Spoiler
Considering they disarmed Unicorn and probably left whatever fuel Banagher didn't use up, I'm surprised Banagher didn't run out of fuel sooner.
Blame the producers for that...flamingtroll wrote:Spoiler
Or more importantly, if they bothered to disarm the Unicorn, why not unfuel it too. It's gonna be on a Base Jabber throughout the planned short trip anyway. Or better yet, instead of letting Banagher be put inside the unicorn, just strap it on a Base Jabber and send it up separately. Considering the power of the Unicorn, that is probably the most important thing they should have done. In this regard, the novel version was actually more sensible, having Zeon attack Torrington and Bright letting Banagher get away during the chaos. When one actaully thinks about it a little bit, most of what's happening in this episode didn't make a lot of sense. It's like one of those LOLTOMINO moments, except it's actually a central part of the story.
flamingtroll wrote:Spoiler
Or more importantly, if they bothered to disarm the Unicorn, why not unfuel it too. It's gonna be on a Base Jabber throughout the planned short trip anyway. Or better yet, instead of letting Banagher be put inside the unicorn, just strap it on a Base Jabber and send it up separately. Considering the power of the Unicorn, that is probably the most important thing they should have done. In this regard, the novel version was actually more sensible, having Zeon attack Torrington and Bright letting Banagher get away during the chaos. When one actaully thinks about it a little bit, most of what's happening in this episode didn't make a lot of sense. It's like one of those LOLTOMINO moments, except it's actually a central part of the story.
Kratos wrote:flamingtroll wrote:Spoiler
Or more importantly, if they bothered to disarm the Unicorn, why not unfuel it too. It's gonna be on a Base Jabber throughout the planned short trip anyway. Or better yet, instead of letting Banagher be put inside the unicorn, just strap it on a Base Jabber and send it up separately. Considering the power of the Unicorn, that is probably the most important thing they should have done. In this regard, the novel version was actually more sensible, having Zeon attack Torrington and Bright letting Banagher get away during the chaos. When one actaully thinks about it a little bit, most of what's happening in this episode didn't make a lot of sense. It's like one of those LOLTOMINO moments, except it's actually a central part of the story.Spoiler
Can an MS just be "de-fueled" like that? Has that ever been done in a previous series? You make it sound like it would be just as simple as removing its weapons, but it's entirely possible that it couldn't be done. And, hell, even if it had been de-fueled, wouldn't that have only prevented it from flying about? An MS' moments are powered primarily by a reactor, so it could conceivably still move around. It doesn't use its thrusters during the fight against the Banshee, so de-fueling wouldn't have affected much before Audrey's leap of faith.
As for sticking Banagher in the cockpit, well, who knows. But that's acknowledged by the episode; Riddhe overhears two guys wondering why he's being put inside for the transfer, so at least we know it wasn't completely overlooked by the writers.
Kratos wrote:flamingtroll wrote:Spoiler
Or more importantly, if they bothered to disarm the Unicorn, why not unfuel it too. It's gonna be on a Base Jabber throughout the planned short trip anyway. Or better yet, instead of letting Banagher be put inside the unicorn, just strap it on a Base Jabber and send it up separately. Considering the power of the Unicorn, that is probably the most important thing they should have done. In this regard, the novel version was actually more sensible, having Zeon attack Torrington and Bright letting Banagher get away during the chaos. When one actaully thinks about it a little bit, most of what's happening in this episode didn't make a lot of sense. It's like one of those LOLTOMINO moments, except it's actually a central part of the story.Spoiler
Can an MS just be "de-fueled" like that? Has that ever been done in a previous series? You make it sound like it would be just as simple as removing its weapons, but it's entirely possible that it couldn't be done. And, hell, even if it had been de-fueled, wouldn't that have only prevented it from flying about? An MS' moments are powered primarily by a reactor, so it could conceivably still move around. It doesn't use its thrusters during the fight against the Banshee, so de-fueling wouldn't have affected much before Audrey's leap of faith.
As for sticking Banagher in the cockpit, well, who knows. But that's acknowledged by the episode; Riddhe overhears two guys wondering why he's being put inside for the transfer, so at least we know it wasn't completely overlooked by the writers.
Kratos wrote:flamingtroll wrote:Spoiler
Or more importantly, if they bothered to disarm the Unicorn, why not unfuel it too. It's gonna be on a Base Jabber throughout the planned short trip anyway. Or better yet, instead of letting Banagher be put inside the unicorn, just strap it on a Base Jabber and send it up separately. Considering the power of the Unicorn, that is probably the most important thing they should have done. In this regard, the novel version was actually more sensible, having Zeon attack Torrington and Bright letting Banagher get away during the chaos. When one actaully thinks about it a little bit, most of what's happening in this episode didn't make a lot of sense. It's like one of those LOLTOMINO moments, except it's actually a central part of the story.Spoiler
Can an MS just be "de-fueled" like that? Has that ever been done in a previous series? You make it sound like it would be just as simple as removing its weapons, but it's entirely possible that it couldn't be done. And, hell, even if it had been de-fueled, wouldn't that have only prevented it from flying about? An MS' moments are powered primarily by a reactor, so it could conceivably still move around. It doesn't use its thrusters during the fight against the Banshee, so de-fueling wouldn't have affected much before Audrey's leap of faith.
As for sticking Banagher in the cockpit, well, who knows. But that's acknowledged by the episode; Riddhe overhears two guys wondering why he's being put inside for the transfer, so at least we know it wasn't completely overlooked by the writers.
flamingtroll wrote:Spoiler
Which of course leads to the even stranger situation of General Revil trying to destroy the box by attacking Nahel Argama. Nahel Argama hasn't gone rogue yet, all they had to do is to just order it to stop and legitimately attack it when it doesn't comply. Yes, it pulled up a Neo Zeon ship, but it was under Bright's orders. Honestly, this just seemed to be a lame attempt to make the EFSF (cue the E.F.S.F soundtrack too) look bad.
I agree, actually; that would have been a much better place to end it. One of my few issues with this episode was the ending, actually; the whole battle felt tacked on, cool as the Rozen Zulu was.flamingtroll wrote:Spoiler
I personally would have left out the part with the General Revil out of the ending, or perhaps just hinting at Full Frontal and Angelo waiting for them in space. It would have been a much nicer ending and a better throw back to CCA if it ended with the unicorn pulling the ships together. They actually kinda skipped some of the dynamics of the act itself. In the novel it desribed how Banagher began to see everyone on both ships in that classic newtype space and feeling their collective thoughts of wanting both ships make it and thats when their collective thought made the newtype rainbow happened. That's pretty much where the Novel volume ended as well
To be fair to Riddhe's douchebaggery, I get the sense that a lot of it comes from him finding out what was inside the Box (since this behaviour largely started after that meeting with his dad in episode 4), like it broke his mind or something. His dialogue in the Garuda supports this: he's focused on maintaining a status quo, because opening the box would be worse for everyone.Shinji103 wrote:But wow. Riddhe. Was he such a douchebag in the novel? Right now all I can see him as is the emo guy who freaked out because the girl he likes jumped off a plane without a parachute for another guy. ^^b
I think you're 100% right,Kratos wrote:Spoiler
I got the impression that the attempt to destroy the Nahel Argama was to get rid of all those involved with this hunt for the box. The script seemed to imply that the General Revil was just destroying evidence under the orders of HQ. It had nothing to do with the Box; Martha seems to need to find it in order to seal it, so she needs Banagher and the Unicorn and probably wouldn't have Federation HQ attack for the purpose of destroying them.
I feel like the animation implied this. I've never ever read the novels and I felt like this was going on OVA. It was subtle and not outright explained, but imo there wasn't a place for a long monologue or voice over explaining wtf was happening in detail. They'll probably discuss the glow during a slower-scene in the next episode - but I think the way the scene was framedflamingtroll wrote:Spoiler
I personally would have left out the part with the General Revil out of the ending, or perhaps just hinting at Full Frontal and Angelo waiting for them in space. It would have been a much nicer ending and a better throw back to CCA if it ended with the unicorn pulling the ships together. They actually kinda skipped some of the dynamics of the act itself. In the novel it desribed how Banagher began to see everyone on both ships in that classic newtype space and feeling their collective thoughts of wanting both ships make it and thats when their collective thought made the newtype rainbow happened. That's pretty much where the Novel volume ended as well
I think I was the first to compare it to LOLTOMINO writing. It's only a problem for me personally when it's the central part of the story, like in this OVA, which had plenty of production time and a novel script to base on. It's not just a few awkward episodes in a series like most LOLTOMINO stuff. I personally too like a lot of Tomino directed shows.MaC wrote: I dunno, I gotta agree with the sentiment that this is all Tomino-level. But considering the Gundam shows he produced seem to rank the highest on my list of favorites I fear that means something different to me then a lot of folk here.
The above spoiler i've left in. I though that Daguza and Gilboa's appearance weren't symbolic but that there souls were literally absorbed by the pyscoframe and have become one with the gundam. This is how the biosensor worked so it makes sense for the psycoframe to do so.MaC wrote:For me it accomplished everything you mentioned, and I am utterly unfamiliar with the books. So take that for what it's worth.Spoiler
Cutting from scenes of the Garencieres crew doing everything they could to gain altitude, scenes of the Nahel Argama crew trying to descend, firing the hook shot, Banagher's buddy shouting "COME BACK TO SPACE! BANAGHER!!", then my favorite moment, when Banagher is getting ripped in half by the force of the two ships and Earth's gravity, when Daguza and Gilboa's hands drop over his, symbolic representations of the people who helped him from Zeon and the Federation, transcending the sides of the war. I believe the scene was more then adequately framed to represent everyone's collective focus on accomplishing that one task and the appearance of Daguza and Gilboa symbolically representing the Garencieres and the Nahel Argama aiding Banagher. It was, in my opinion of course, a magnificently constructed scene. Punctuated by Banagher's eyes opening in space as the glow enveloped the two ships and everyone kinda felt Banagher.
I also gotta say I enjoyed the final action sequence.
I dunno, I gotta agree with the sentiment that this is all Tomino-level. But considering the Gundam shows he produced seem to rank the highest on my list of favorites I fear that means something different to me then a lot of folk here.
Alas, I watched the episode 3 times, had to show 2 different people. We all loved it, bring on 2013 and episode 6. Bring on the near future. Gundam Unicorn is in my book rock solid and this episode was a drastic improvement over episode 4 and the knowledge that the story is being expanded and given more room to breathe makes me even more excited for future installments. And hopeful we won't have any more Loni situations. I don't know how she was in the book but for me Banagher's desperation to save her and her connection to him felt forced and without time to develop her as a character the entirety of the Shamblo action sequence felt hollow. Thankfully in this episode the opposite was true as Banagher's desire to save Marida rang true due to all the development she's had.
Well, I mostly agree with you there. I think they did make an appearance from beyond where ever to actually help Banagher, but I believed the scene was framed symbolically to represent the two sides of the war coming together to achieve something else, seeing as how each character put their hand on the one corresponding to the hand Unicorn was holding the tether to their respective ships on.pozdniakov wrote: The above spoiler i've left in. I though that Daguza and Gilboa's appearance weren't symbolic but that there souls were literally absorbed by the pyscoframe and have become one with the gundam. This is how the biosensor worked so it makes sense for the psycoframe to do so.