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Side 4 and The Federation

So how exactly is the Moore (Mua?) Brotherhood in Thunderbolt connected to the Federation? Its stated that they are made up of "Volunteers" from Side 4 who want to retake their homeland; so are they a official part of the Federation, or a loose alliance like the AEUG and Karaba? Everyone wears Federation Uniforms and they use a lot of federation equipment; but the Gundams Io pilots seem to have been funded by Side 4 ,and they seem to posses many experimental Mech's and variations for a smaller taskforce, at least compared to the rest of the Earth Federation during the One Year War.
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Re: Side 4 and The Federation

Mafty wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:12 am So how exactly is the Moore (Mua?) Brotherhood in Thunderbolt connected to the Federation? Its stated that they are made up of "Volunteers" from Side 4 who want to retake their homeland; so are they a official part of the Federation, or a loose alliance like the AEUG and Karaba? Everyone wears Federation Uniforms and they use a lot of federation equipment; but the Gundams Io pilots seem to have been funded by Side 4 ,and they seem to posses many experimental Mech's and variations for a smaller taskforce, at least compared to the rest of the Earth Federation during the One Year War.
Simply put, other than Side 3, some Lunar cities and Side 6(those claiming neutrality), all human beings are under EF during OYW.
EF claims all human beings as their subjects before and after OYW, until UC0218, where it disolved.(Some time since 0140-ish though, they basically leave all sides alone to fend for themselves.)
So, unless they explicitly claim independence or neutrality, they are part of EF.
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In theory, all of the lunar settlements and Sides are part of the Earth Federation and under the jurasdiction of the Earth Federation Government. In practice, they're semi-autonomous local governments operating under the auspicies of the central Federation Government. The degree of actual autonomy they enjoy varies depending on the prevailing political situation in the Earth Federation assembly.

Side 3 was the first to declare itself an independent nation and assert its sovereignty. After the war ended and it was reincorporated into the Federation as the Republic of Zeon, it enjoyed a certain amount of additional token autonomy for a time to facilitate a peaceful transition back to Earth Federation rule.

When war broke out and Zeon went a bit nuts attacking the other Sides, areas like Side 6 declared neutrality in what amounted to saying "Ok, woah. This is between you guys in Side 3 and the guys on Earth. Both of you leave us out of your private beef, please."

The Moore Brotherhood is a volunteer army raised by Side 4, consisting of people pissed off enough about what Zeon did to Side 4 to want to go bust Zeek heads instead of sit around playing at being refugees. Mind you, Thunderbolt's a mess, writing-wise, so it's probably best not to think too hard about anything in it.
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Yeah, given the messy writing of Thunderbolt, it really is best not to think about it too hard. Author just does whatever he wants, but a number of Gundam manga is like that too.
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Just trying to rationalise this particular "volunteer" thing and not the whole mess of TB.

I consider it to be some kind of EF recognised militia, while they are somewhat supported and funded by EFF(Thus all the EFF equipment), they likely do not have the employment benefits of the EFF recruits.

If you look at the EF like a loosely adapted USA, Sides being States, they are probably like the state defense forces but instead of defence, they are now a revenge force in TB.
As long as EF acknowledge its existence, and they likely have to report their operations thoroughly and likely heavily monitored by EFF.

This method has its pro and cons, but EFF has its own share of problems and likely don't want to just annex the militia(They already are dealing with multiple missing units that pops up here and there with a lot of missing records according to MSV-R:RoJR), they can also enjoy the benefits of messing with the intel of Zeon because they now either have very little information about what operations this militia will be doing(EFF likely receive delayed info) or they have to somehow infiltrate the militia by other means(which is hard if they consist only of a fixed number of people).
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MythSearcher wrote: Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:22 pm Just trying to rationalise this particular "volunteer" thing and not the whole mess of TB.
To be honest, there's no need to rationalize it... because that kind of thing is quite real, just not often used in the modern day due to the more rigorous training and cost of equipment.

Volunteer regiments were a common fixture in the United States armed forces in the 18th and 19th centuries. In terms of their standing, the volunteer regiments were a sort of halfway point between a militia and professional soldiers. They were organized only in wartime, and disbanded at the end of the war they were formed for. The troops were 100% volunteers, answering a call to arms from the government to reinforce the regular army in the current war. There was no compulsory service. They were better trained than the militia, and unlike the militia they were an offensive force that could go anywhere and do anything that a regular army regiment would. They were occasionally privately funded by donations from wealthy folks with something to prove, or equipped with a slew of nonstandard weapons donated by arms companies looking to show off. (Samuel Colt was famous for this, among other things, though several other prominent arms manufacturers also tried to sponsor volunteer units to show off their latest wares.)

The Moore Brotherhood are basically a volunteer regiment raised by Side 4. IIRC, it's implied the Flemings are a sponsor of the Moore Brotherhood's activities, which is also how Io comes into possession of multiple Gundams.

They're legally Earth Federation Forces soldiers, bound by all the same laws, rules, and regulations, but they exist organizationally for one purpose: to fight the One Year War. They probably would've been formally disbanded once Zeon surrendered, if they hadn't basically been wiped out first.
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