The Official Gundam Hathaway Anime Thread Mk I

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Re: The Official Gundam Hathaway Anime Thread Mk I

Post by bhayes82 » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:52 pm

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That is a bit difficult to comprehend if Mafty wants to stop the deportation of people into space but at the same time Hathaway wants humanity as a whole to move into space (Char's ideals). I'm not an expert on Hathaway's Flash but my understanding was that Hathaway was trying to both embrace Amuro and Char's ideals, he wanted people to move into space (but didn't want to force it with say a giant asteroid) which lines up with the Newtype theory that mankind will progress as individuals and as a civilization as we migrate into space.

As for how Mafty's plans will create that goal, well that's hard to say. I think in this case it's a good example of goals/ideals and actions not matching up 1 to 1. I also recall reading that Tomino intended for Hathaway's flash to be an example on not clinging to the ideals of the past (Hathway holding onto Char and Amuro's ideals) which ultimately ends poorly for him.

Again not an expert, just my quick thoughts on the matter. Someone more well versed in Hathaway's Flash can probably give a more concrete answer.
In the film there's no major emphasis on the cruelty of how the Federation deports the poor like in the book, deportation is vaguely mentioned by hathaway in the film and we only see riot police checking IDs and shooting at some civilians and chasing others.

in the film they don't outright say "Mafty wants to stop the unfair deportation of the poor into Space"

so i have a suspicion that they've MODIFIED the plot that Mafty goal is not necessarily to STOP deportation, but to take down & unravel the entire Federation Government.

the film basically tries to emphasize that "Mafty Navure Erin" is the second coming of char and that the organization is trying to continue what Char started and that they're simply rebelling against the federation by killing high ranking officials. and that humanity should 'live' in space entirely so that the earth can heal itself.

so its clear, the PLOT has been changed and Mafty's mission statement/goals have been modified.

I hope they explain, why hathaway is appointed leader and why the mafty soldiers respect him and what's their stake in the fight -

with the Zeon, it was undestandable, they were fighting for equal rights and independence and the right not to be oppressed. Gundam Origin i think showed how oppressive the Earth Fedeation was, it was just that the Zabi family was corrupt.

so i hope they dig deeper into this and explain it better in the next 2 films. they understandably skimmed over alot of things in Movie 1. but some stuff as its portrayed in the film just doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Re: The Official Gundam Hathaway Anime Thread Mk I

Post by MythSearcher » Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:05 am

bhayes82 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:52 pm

In the film there's no major emphasis on the cruelty of how the Federation deports the poor like in the book, deportation is vaguely mentioned by hathaway in the film and we only see riot police checking IDs and shooting at some civilians and chasing others.

in the film they don't outright say "Mafty wants to stop the unfair deportation of the poor into Space"

so i have a suspicion that they've MODIFIED the plot that Mafty goal is not necessarily to STOP deportation, but to take down & unravel the entire Federation Government.

the film basically tries to emphasize that "Mafty Navure Erin" is the second coming of char and that the organization is trying to continue what Char started and that they're simply rebelling against the federation by killing high ranking officials. and that humanity should 'live' in space entirely so that the earth can heal itself.

so its clear, the PLOT has been changed and Mafty's mission statement/goals have been modified.

I hope they explain, why hathaway is appointed leader and why the mafty soldiers respect him and what's their stake in the fight -

with the Zeon, it was undestandable, they were fighting for equal rights and independence and the right not to be oppressed. Gundam Origin i think showed how oppressive the Earth Fedeation was, it was just that the Zabi family was corrupt.

so i hope they dig deeper into this and explain it better in the next 2 films. they understandably skimmed over alot of things in Movie 1. but some stuff as its portrayed in the film just doesn't make a lot of sense.
Consider how much have changed since the book was written, it makes sense to have some level of change in the films. The current depiction of EF is pretty different from Tomino's views, both back in FG, Zeta, ZZ and CCA period and currently. While I do not like Fukui's overall ignorance in the background lore, his depiction of people living on Earth is actually adhering to what Tomino was trying to show back in those days. (but not necessarily what he sees it now)

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Re: The Official Gundam Hathaway Anime Thread Mk I

Post by Deacon Blues » Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:20 am

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Consider how much have changed since the book was written, it makes sense to have some level of change in the films. The current depiction of EF is pretty different from Tomino's views, both back in FG, Zeta, ZZ and CCA period and currently. While I do not like Fukui's overall ignorance in the background lore, his depiction of people living on Earth is actually adhering to what Tomino was trying to show back in those days. (but not necessarily what he sees it now)
You, just like most people, fall under the asinine assumption that Fukui "ignores" things or is to blame for changes to Gundam. You have to keep in mind that a lot of his stuff has to get a rubber stamp of approval before it goes public. Ergo, the powers that be that oversee the content creation either crafted the outline that dictated the changes, or saw what he said and agreed with it. He's stated that much in numerous interviews.

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Re: The Official Gundam Hathaway Anime Thread Mk I

Post by MythSearcher » Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:26 pm

Deacon Blues wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:20 am
You, just like most people, fall under the asinine assumption that Fukui "ignores" things or is to blame for changes to Gundam. You have to keep in mind that a lot of his stuff has to get a rubber stamp of approval before it goes public. Ergo, the powers that be that oversee the content creation either crafted the outline that dictated the changes, or saw what he said and agreed with it. He's stated that much in numerous interviews.
Most of the overviews from above cares little about continuity and more about whether they think it will negatively impact the franchise or not.
And sticking to a world close to what Tomino had depicted in FG, Zeta and CCA is not likely to have a negative impact. The more aggressive writings are also deleted in the anime, so the content control for the original novel is quite relaxed.

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Post by Underrated GM Custom » Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:17 pm

Hathaway's Flash continues to do really well surpassing 2 billion yen, it may even surpass Encounters in Space which clocked in at 2.3 billion yen.

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Re: The Official Gundam Hathaway Anime Thread Mk I

Post by zetatype » Sat Aug 07, 2021 10:58 pm

bhayes82 wrote:
Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:52 pm
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Thu Jul 29, 2021 3:22 pm
That is a bit difficult to comprehend if Mafty wants to stop the deportation of people into space but at the same time Hathaway wants humanity as a whole to move into space (Char's ideals). I'm not an expert on Hathaway's Flash but my understanding was that Hathaway was trying to both embrace Amuro and Char's ideals, he wanted people to move into space (but didn't want to force it with say a giant asteroid) which lines up with the Newtype theory that mankind will progress as individuals and as a civilization as we migrate into space.

As for how Mafty's plans will create that goal, well that's hard to say. I think in this case it's a good example of goals/ideals and actions not matching up 1 to 1. I also recall reading that Tomino intended for Hathaway's flash to be an example on not clinging to the ideals of the past (Hathway holding onto Char and Amuro's ideals) which ultimately ends poorly for him.

Again not an expert, just my quick thoughts on the matter. Someone more well versed in Hathaway's Flash can probably give a more concrete answer.
In the film there's no major emphasis on the cruelty of how the Federation deports the poor like in the book, deportation is vaguely mentioned by hathaway in the film and we only see riot police checking IDs and shooting at some civilians and chasing others.

in the film they don't outright say "Mafty wants to stop the unfair deportation of the poor into Space"

so i have a suspicion that they've MODIFIED the plot that Mafty goal is not necessarily to STOP deportation, but to take down & unravel the entire Federation Government.

the film basically tries to emphasize that "Mafty Navure Erin" is the second coming of char and that the organization is trying to continue what Char started and that they're simply rebelling against the federation by killing high ranking officials. and that humanity should 'live' in space entirely so that the earth can heal itself.
Was the whole "Humanity should live in space" ever part of Mafty's or Hathaway's agenda in the novels?

I never read the novels but I was always under impression that the primary goal of Mafty and Hathaway was to stop the EF from deporting poorer citizens. So I was a bit surprised to find out that in the movie moving humanity into space seems to be the primary goal at least to Hathaway.

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Re: The Official Gundam Hathaway Anime Thread Mk I

Post by pirx » Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:54 am

Is there any info when parts 2 and 3 are planned?
There will be 3 movies total, right?

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Re: The Official Gundam Hathaway Anime Thread Mk I

Post by Chris » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:28 am

Yes, there will be three movies, but we have no information on when the next two will be released.

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