[Zeta Novel] - Zeon Zum Deikun's Speech

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Re: [Zeta Novel] - Zeon Zum Deikun's Speech

Zeonista wrote: Zeon Zum Deikun (I should try to be current. ;P) is the man who steps up and says there is a purpose to the enforced communal construction of the enclosed Island III cylinders, and then the enforced communal life inside the same. (A Side 2 colonist could try living outside the big cylinders or converted asteroid mines in a smaller environment, but no one seems eager to bet their lives on it being a success.) And it is a purpose that involves a positive advancement to their lives and society, at least according to him. In the absence of any similar message or counter-argument from Dakar, the colonists are more than happy to elect Zeon to high office in the Federation-created Republic so he can end it and bring about something better. Too bad it falls to the Zabi family to attempt to realize his dream, but Dame Fortuna is real bitch sometimes...
So becuase a bunch of people living near the Moon have a philosophical difference with the current government the entire thing should be chucked out regardless of how it effects the vast majority :shock:

And yeah up until Zeta the only ones who seemed to have a major issue with the Earth Federation were the Zeon. Hell even Char's gripes with the Federation were for stuff from after the One Year War.
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Re: [Zeta Novel] - Zeon Zum Deikun's Speech

Evex wrote:I think we're glossing over something when it comes to space colonies in the earth sphere, and this is illustrated by the Jupiter Empire. The Jupiter Empire practice population control, not because they want to, but because its essential to there own survival. Everything is rationed offed from food, water and even air due to it all being a finite resource. This makes logic sense when your looking at an enclosed environment like a space colony.


There is only so much food, water and air to go around. If an agricultural pod gets taken out, or is down for whatever reason. It means there is less food to go around to the people in the colony. Even if a hole in a colony won't suck out all the air. It still means there is less air in the colony for everyone. Life in a colony becomes less about the individual, and more about the entire colony as whole. Considering that whatever happens to the colony effects everyone that lives inside of it.
The Jupiter Empire is kind of a special case here, because they were basically off in their own little corner of space where resources were much more limited. The regular Earth Sphere colonies presumably don't suffer from those same shortages (or at least not nearly to the same extent) because they've always got the Earth to go to if, say, food runs short.
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Zeonista wrote:The OYW-era Zeonists are very idealistic, if only because nearly all the adults can remember Zeon himself as a living man.
Uh? I can't honestly recall any Zeon character in the OYW era who actually professes to give a damn about The Zeon Ideal™, with the exception of Char. The vast majority of the rank-and-file soldiers care about their friends and loved ones and surviving the war, rather than the grand designs of their government. The handful of mid-ranking officers we see are either focused on their duty as soldiers in wartime (Ramba Ral, Dozle), trying to advance their own personal ambitions (M'quve, Ginias), or else are personally loyal to their immediate commanders rather than a political philosophy (Gato and Delaz, Norris Packard). Pretty much no one talks about any kind of Zeonic idealism, or even mentions Zeon Deikun in any context at all -- and the few exceptions come from direct interaction with his children, Sayla and Char.
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toysdream wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:10 pm That may be overruled by The Origin, though. (I don't have time to look through the script right now, but I think they mention somewhere that Deikun's a second-generation space colonist.)

There definitely are a lot of cynical opportunists in Tomino's Gundam works, but there are also a few who seem relatively sincere. Meitzer Ronah, for instance, actually lives up to his "Cosmo Aristocracy" philosophy by refusing to take shelter when a Federation ship is bombarding the Frontier colony. Interestingly, if we conditionally include Degwin in this group, it seems like most of these sincere believers are old men.

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I wonder what early Ronahs thought about the Zeons.........or if they were Zeons.....
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