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Granted Messer was already throwing up death flags with the whole Var syndrome, but I wasn't expecting it to happen in this episode especially given how light hearted the first half was.
Dark Duel wrote:I guess I must be the only one whose reaction to what happened in the latter half of this episode can be summed up as "meh".Spoiler
It's probably because Messer is a character who, even with the marginal development he has received, I not only didn't like, but I didn't find all that interesting. But his death didn't really affect me all that much. Really, the only level on which it bothered me is that it's a horrible experience for Kaname, who(for some unfathomable reason) did like Mr. "Serious Business, to go through - and that's because her I do like.
The odds of survival are closer to Michel's than Ozma's. Unless Mitsuo Fukuda and Chiaki Morosawa hijack the studio, he's dead.Compass wrote:Maybe they'll pull an Ozma on us. THAT was a troll.
Well his death is most likely suppose to serve as personal motivation for Hayate and Mirage and probably Kaname depending on how much more they plan on developing her.Nagato21 wrote:Well there was a lot of foreshadowing but seriously its like they killed him to make the show a tad more dramatic, as if having a small kid singing brainwashing songs to the death is not enough.
O man, I don't think I've ever been so mad and glad at the same time. They got us good there. Though I highly doubt that's gonna happen here.Compass wrote:Maybe they'll pull an Ozma on us. THAT was a troll.
That seems a bit too cliche. A lead character has died already so let's break a few more classic tropes.zetatype wrote:The foreshadowing was there its just that they probably could have done a little more with Messer before they killed him off. Explore the love triangle between him, Kaname, and Arad, maybe a final lesson for Hayate and Mirage.
*enters thread tepidly*Areku wrote:The odds of survival are closer to Michel's than Ozma's. Unless Mitsuo Fukuda and Chiaki Morosawa hijack the studio, he's dead.Compass wrote:Maybe they'll pull an Ozma on us. THAT was a troll.
Dustman wrote:Chiaki Morosawa died only three months ago from heart disease.
Oh, that's fine, I appreciate the gesture and I don't mean to imply shaming on your part. It just so happens that I view the prospect of Messer not being dead as being on the same level of erroneous storytelling as Morosawa at her worst, specifically not killing Kira (a full episode of characters manipulation-grieving a not-death) and Mu (meekly undoing one of the better deaths I can readily recall in anime) when either's survival required a major asspull.Dustman wrote:I'm not trying to shame anybody into pretending that they liked her all along. I'd feel better if people at least knew what happened. I can at least make sure that nobody will regret saying it.
I'd argue that having the mentor pilot die is just as cliche. My ideas are hardly orignial, but a more developed character is better regardless.azrael wrote:That seems a bit too cliche. A lead character has died already so let's break a few more classic tropes.zetatype wrote:The foreshadowing was there its just that they probably could have done a little more with Messer before they killed him off. Explore the love triangle between him, Kaname, and Arad, maybe a final lesson for Hayate and Mirage.
I'm sure the first thing we'll see next episode is the mangled wreck of Messer's Siegfried in the hangar with Kaname crying her eyes out. Macross has a pretty solid record of showing characters either die unambiguously or get mortally wounded and then be shown to be dead.Amion wrote:Unless it's Tomino, don't assume the worst until otherwise forced. Although I do seriously doubt Messer living at this point. There was far, far too much blood there, way more than IBO, where all we saw was some gratuitous splatter. This was an explosive blast of blood, something far more serious than a mere flesh wound...
Of course, we have yet to the see the plane crash, no?
Are you talking about Azee and Lafter? If so, you're talking about bloody uniforms and one excruciatingly-painful-but-relatively-minor spout. Those are very different from a veritable geyser that produces a nearly-uniform coating across the entire canopy in an instant. That requires massive physical damage; atomization of half the body comes to mind. Also, we know from the choreography that the two planes were pointed almost directly at each other; based on where the canopy was breached, Messer was clearly struck squarely in the head/neck/chest area. That kind of blood spray from that location goes a few steps beyond instantly fatal.Compass wrote:Remember, we had ketchup in IBO. Like, MAD KETCHUP. And what's that? They just had an obliterated sandwich? OK! No problem! They ain't dead till they're buried dead.
I have considered that, especially since previous episodes have shown that autopilot can be remotely engaged. But unless VF-31 autopilot can rewind time, that won't help Messer one bit.Amion wrote:Of course, we have yet to the see the plane crash, no?
... Have you not seen a Kawamori show before?Areku wrote:or B) have no shame as a storyteller.
Well, 7 can't be that bad... can it?Destiny_Gundam wrote:... Have you not seen a Kawamori show before?