The Official Gundam Unicorn Anime Thread Mk VI

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Re: The Official Gundam Unicorn Anime Thread Mk VI

Post by latenlazy » Sat May 17, 2014 6:01 am

ieh4f wrote:
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ieh4f wrote:just watched ep 7, have a couple of questions:
how the rozen zulu get attacked by its own "hook"?
l heard the voice of real char and amuro, does this confirm they are dead after CCA?
1. Unicorn hijacked it, similar to how it took control of the Kshatriya's funnels back in Episode 3.
2. Most likely, unless you believe that they can project themselves as ghosts to mess up with people like wannabes.
ieh4f wrote:and the gundam the bald guy pillot against neo zeong MA, is that silver bullet?
Yes. I was surprised and pleased when it appeared. Makes for a good ad for the model.
but l think the hook thing is wired, unicorn can hijacked something wired like incom?
and why marida just let her blowed away by banshee like that? she didnt evn try to dodge or anything......
If it uses psycommu then the Unicorn can hijack it. Though the real reason why is better explained in the novel.
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In the novel Angelo doesn't want Banagher to enter his mind because he's been repressing memories of his father being killed and his mother being violated and killed by Federation soldiers, and he eventually chooses to commit suicide rather than develop mutual understanding with Banagher. It's not really explained in episode 7 but the same thing happens here, except Angelo doesn't die
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Re: The Official Gundam Unicorn Anime Thread Mk VI

Post by Kratos » Sat May 17, 2014 6:03 am

I haven't seen episode 7 yet, but the Unicorn hijacked an INCOM in episode 6 (which is why Angelo hacked that one arm off).
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Re: The Official Gundam Unicorn Anime Thread Mk VI

Post by ieh4f » Sat May 17, 2014 6:54 am

so does Angelo and Full Frontel die or not in ep 7?

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Post by BrentD15 » Sat May 17, 2014 7:28 am

ieh4f wrote:so does Angelo and Full Frontel die or not in ep 7?
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Frontal does, Angelo apparently doesn't.
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Post by Andrew_Graruru » Sat May 17, 2014 8:03 am

Geez, that was insane. Not in a good way either. What happened to this show.
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Post by Kratos » Sat May 17, 2014 8:25 am

Care to elaborate, Graruru? Though not exactly perfect, thematically, I thought it achieved exactly what it needed to. Not unlike the series itself.

(More developed post when I have an actual computer - my phone is inadequate for this purpose)
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Post by BrentD15 » Sat May 17, 2014 8:55 am

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Y'know, I always thought the "Double Final Shooting" in the novel was rather corny.
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Post by Andrew_Graruru » Sat May 17, 2014 9:12 am

My thoughts probably will not be completely coherent having only finished the ep a few minutes ago and being quite sleep deprived, but here they are in a rough stream of consciousness manner
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First 30 or so mins so rushed. The grunt action is good and looks pretty but lacks any tension (a problem with the entire episode) due to feeling so disconnected from the central characters.

The characterisation is terrible. For a show that spent so long building up to this finale with ideological discussions it is amazing how any shades of grey are ripped out of the antagonists depiction in this episode. Riddhe basically admits to wanting to commit genocide against Newtypes. Angelo kills his own men FOR NO DISCERNABLE REASON. Banagher meanwhile gracefully disarms his enemies so as not to tarnish his morality.

There are many many elements from the novels which it is now clear should never have been included in the anime. Angelo for instance. He has no purpose in this entire show. He feels completely shoved in here, his actions are insane (kills his own troops, then disarms his own MS) and he drags down the pacing of the episode with his speech about his hatred for Bangher. He never should have been included in the anime. Maridas death needed to have happened earlier, it did not fit pacing wise into the big action scene at the start of the episode. On this note, Full Frontal had interesting characterisation up this point but they botched all that by never fully explaining where he came from, who created him ect. Even if he is no longer an issue, surely his creators are still out there, ready to make another Char clone and start this all up again? Never answered, we arent expected to question anything.

The reveal of Laplace, while probably slightly better executed than the opening battle with Neo Zeon, is still pretty lackluster. We basically see a slideshow while Syam drones on Fukuis exposition. It doesnt help that the charter has pretty effed up fascist implications. Why should Newtypes be given more status in the government? Why does no one question this? Are we all to accept how amazing newtypes are from Banaghers character, and how completely flawless he is shown to be? That doesnt sit well with me.

The whole seeing time scene is hilarious. It also makes no sense. Why does FF know all this? Its like he is guiding Banagher around, showing him the universe. Shouldnt he be freaking out about this insane phenomenon happening around them? No one is acting like a human being.

The re-animated scenes from CCA and the original are of course beautiful, but thats not enough to warm me over. The scene comes across as completely laughable to me, and I usually like crazy newtype magic.

Of course Banagher doesnt kill FF. Too pure for that. He naturally sees Banaghers infallibility with a little help from his Newtype ghost friends.

One last thing, the whole episode to me seems to ratchet down tension instead of increasing it. In the opening we have a pretty chaotic fleet battle going on, which gets off to a good start, but once Angelo is dealt with the Nahel Argama doesnt seem to be have any trouble disposing of a few more ships. Once thats down theres no epic fleet confrontation on the way to the colony, it cuts straight to them approaching it, and when FF attacks he doesnt have any reinforcements, its one lone Mobile Armour against the Nahel argama and two incredibly powerful Gundams. A powerful mobile armour but still, it doesnt make this feel like much of an epic finale. I suppose the big true threat is meant to be the colony laser, which the opening 5 mins does a great job of making threatening, but actually seems to dealt with like its nothing at the end. Its really strange as up to this point I always thought this show was very good at creating a sense of peril, and that was on a much smaller scale than this episode, which felt more like a fancy light show.
You mention the themes being well explored. I think thats only the case if you dont question any of the plot points in the series,
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like the charter being undemocratic
. Also, this episode explores those themes by having its characters drone on to the audience about their motivations which gives the whole thing a sense of unreality and often hurts the tension. I know that there is meant to be a theme of Father and Son relationships, but you dont need to have Riddhe and Banagher talk about it right when a laser is about to incinerate the colony. Have them talk about the laser which is going to incinerate the colony!

Anyway. I am sleep deprived and have written too much. I hope people are able to enjoy this episode. I for one still the love the opening 2 episodes with a passion. I need to rewatch the rest to see how it stands up but I worry the amount of buildup that was there to this episode might tarnish them quite a bit.
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Post by Rawinder » Sat May 17, 2014 12:21 pm

Anyone get a count on the number of mobile suits the Nahel Argama was carrying in this episode? They seemed to have been consistent in the previous six eps, but now suddenly there are tons of Jegans flying around everywhere.

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Post by BrentD15 » Sat May 17, 2014 12:55 pm

Andrew_Graruru wrote:
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On this note, Full Frontal had interesting characterisation up this point but they botched all that by never fully explaining where he came from, who created him ect. Even if he is no longer an issue, surely his creators are still out there, ready to make another Char clone and start this all up again? Never answered, we arent expected to question anything.
Even if they did create another Full Frontal clone, it's not like they have the resources to take on the Federation again.
All that's basically left of them is Angelo, and even his fate is ambiguous.
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Post by DarthYAM » Sat May 17, 2014 1:22 pm

Out of curiosity
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How does Marida die, and why is Riddhe so damn horrified in the trailer? He was literally "What Have I done?" While covering his mouth with his hands. And in the novel Marida's death was what snapped him out of his behavior. How does that work

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Post by Ferrus_Manus » Sat May 17, 2014 1:30 pm

DarthYAM wrote:Out of curiosity
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How does Marida die, and why is Riddhe so damn horrified in the trailer? He was literally "What Have I done?" While covering his mouth with his hands. And in the novel Marida's death was what snapped him out of his behavior. How does that work
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Death by Beam Magnum.
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Post by HellCat » Sat May 17, 2014 2:28 pm

I really enjoyed it, but a greedy nitpick:
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Given they travel backwards throws in some lovingly drawn MSG fanwank, why not throw in some scenes from F91 and V to underscore Frontal's opinion that what Banagher plans to do is pointless and there is only more misery ahead?
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Post by BrentD15 » Sat May 17, 2014 2:41 pm

HellCat wrote:I really enjoyed it, but a greedy nitpick:
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Given they travel backwards throws in some lovingly drawn MSG fanwank, why not throw in some scenes from F91 and V to underscore Frontal's opinion that what Banagher plans to do is pointless and there is only more misery ahead?
It might have been implied when Frontal said "It's the miracle again. Nothing is going to change" or something along those lines.
If not, I'm out of ideas. :P
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Post by balofo » Sat May 17, 2014 3:39 pm

In retrospect the original half molten Sinanju vs dual last shooting was a better end for him than Lalah's ghost BS.

The OVA director chose bad ideas, but the execution was even worse...

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Post by Arbiter GUNDAM » Sat May 17, 2014 6:07 pm

HellCat wrote:I really enjoyed it, but a greedy nitpick:
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Given they travel backwards throws in some lovingly drawn MSG fanwank, why not throw in some scenes from F91 and V to underscore Frontal's opinion that what Banagher plans to do is pointless and there is only more misery ahead?
I thought the same thing. :)
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Post by DarthYAM » Sat May 17, 2014 8:48 pm

Ferrus_Manus wrote:
DarthYAM wrote:Out of curiosity
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How does Marida die, and why is Riddhe so damn horrified in the trailer? He was literally "What Have I done?" While covering his mouth with his hands. And in the novel Marida's death was what snapped him out of his behavior. How does that work
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Death by Beam Magnum.
Still why was he so horrified. In the trailer he's holding his hand over his mouth going "What have I done?"

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Post by Deathzealot » Sat May 17, 2014 8:50 pm

Hmmm...

I wonder when the English Subbed Anime Channel Youtube Stream Version of the Episode will be available for it is not yet up yet. That said question: Do we have to wait till the June 6 date for this Youtube stream?

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Post by BrentD15 » Sat May 17, 2014 9:00 pm

DarthYAM wrote:
Ferrus_Manus wrote:
DarthYAM wrote:Out of curiosity
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How does Marida die, and why is Riddhe so damn horrified in the trailer? He was literally "What Have I done?" While covering his mouth with his hands. And in the novel Marida's death was what snapped him out of his behavior. How does that work
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Death by Beam Magnum.
Still why was he so horrified. In the trailer he's holding his hand over his mouth going "What have I done?"
An even bigger glaring issue: Why did she sit there and take it?


EDIT: In lighter news, there was a joke floating around that "Char came back to laugh at himself". :lol:
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Post by latenlazy » Sat May 17, 2014 9:20 pm

A lot of niggling issues throughout this series similar to the Kshiatrya not moving, such as when Riddhe gets all creeper on Mineva, or Banagher's very brief memory of his father in Episode 3. Speaking of Riddhe, I would say the biggest flaw of the series is that they should have spent far more time developing Riddhe than they did. There were other characters in the series who also sorely needed some development to make sense of their back stories and their plot narratives like Albert, Angelo, Ronan, and Martha. (I actually don't think Loni was one of them because they managed to fold her effectively into a broader conflict that we're already familiar with). Some depth and fleshing out would have been nice for those moments since they're so integral to the story. I would have easily preferred that they trade some of the mech porn for that plot. At the same time another criticism is that they spent so much screen time trying to communicate quiet expressions, and as nice as it was cinematically I would have easily preferred they focus on using that precious screen time telling as much story as necessary to make sure the narrative flowed better.

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