The Official Gundam AGE Anime Thread AGE-9

[DuelGundam2099]

And he would be who exactly?

[Kuruni]

This guy.

[DuelGundam2099]

Why would I be a guy with an afro?

[Kuruni]

Because

Yes, Duel, you are constantly the ONLY person ever who liked _________ when other people didn't.

But enough of this derail, back to thread.

[Compass]

From the whole timeline thing, Flit actually seems to seem like a much better character than you know, we were just judging him as a hateful dude because he wanted to exterminate all the Vagans.

The scene with Yurin really does define Flit as someone who's had tremendous guilt laid out upon him. From the moment she died, things really went downhill for him. His argument with Yak Dole pretty much summed things up. It's really hard to pin Flit being evil with the part where he has this guilty burden that's basically existed his entire life. Child soldier doesn't really accurately fit the picture as someone who's lived with the reality of losing people he cares about to people who at once masqueraded that they were aliens and then revealed they were humans.

[Silver_August]

From the whole timeline thing, Flit actually seems to seem like a much better character than you know, we were just judging him as a hateful dude because he wanted to exterminate all the Vagans.

The scene with Yurin really does define Flit as someone who's had tremendous guilt laid out upon him. From the moment she died, things really went downhill for him. His argument with Yak Dole pretty much summed things up. It's really hard to pin Flit being evil with the part where he has this guilty burden that's basically existed his entire life. Child soldier doesn't really accurately fit the picture as someone who's lived with the reality of losing people he cares about to people who at once masqueraded that they were aliens and then revealed they were humans.

Exactly. and not only Yurin but rewatching the 1st gen aother thing crossed my mind as to why he finally snapped.

Flit took the tragedy with his mother as a naive but optimistic motivation for The Gundam so that no one else would ever be hurt because it was a savior back in the days.

Skip...x number of years later to when he's finally able to find the enemy that tok his family away and once again, even WITH the tools to save the ones he loves, he still fails and has to watch as someone else he cares about dies to the hands of the vagans. Now I don't think when Yurin died that he was thinking back to his mom, god no, he was thinking I couldn't save her, didn't help the one who killed Yurin was a homicidal maniac but never the less, the haunting memories realistically WOULD do this to some one, its just 60 years of anger and war WILL do that to ya, you'd think atleast.

Now if only they could go back and rewrite Kio's arc to play more onto the realistic probably that Flit told Kio all sorts of stories about the war, though probably sugar coated it to be less grim, just thinking how a grandparent tells their child stories about their times in war.

[DuelGundam2099]

Flit would be a good candidate as a Dolan comic character.

[Gelgoog Jager]

I found this site which has the death count of named characters. The list doesn't include characters that died of old, which should include Vargas and Madorna. It does include characters that are only mentioned to have died, such as Olfenoa who was said to have been executed for treason. For a quick comparison, I have made a quick table showing the death of both named EF and Vagan people by generation, including the civilians.

G1 EF-4 Vagan-1 Total-5
G2 EF-4 Vagan-13 Total-17
G3 EF-1 Vagan-5 Total-6
3G EF-7 Vagan-7 Total-14
Total EF- 16 Vagan-26 Total-42

I should point out that I'm counting Olfenoa, Shanalua, Reina and Aaron as EF, as it is the faction they originally belonged to. Also, I'm counting Marina on G1, Romy on G3 and Girard on 3G as it is where they were first mentioned.

[Amion]

It has begun.

Spoiler

Am I the only person that liked the Fardian arc the way it was? I am apparently the only person that did not see Age is paced too fast.

*munches chocolate bar while watching review*

Sigh, I'm starting to think while Duel was the only one who liked the Fardain arc as it was, I'm the only one who liked the Vagan MS designs. I honestly think they're very well done and not childish at all. If they were built in real life, I doubt people would be laughing at them....Oh well, I guess we've had monoeyes for so long people won't settle for anything less than mediocre Zakus....

So I guess it's back to the same old same old designs again.

As far as the artwork, I agreed with the review, the character designs never once really bothered me. And he nailed it when he ranked Grodek as an awesome captain.

[DuelGundam2099]

I liked some of them, I even listed a few as my favorite mobile suits of all time with one even making my top 20. So no, you are not alone in that Amion. Here's the list with Age suits in bold if you're curious:

Spoiler

1. Beargguy- Model Suit Gunpla Builders Beginning G
2. Gadelaza- Mobile Suit Gundam 00: A Wakening of The Trailblazer
3. Mercurius- Gundam Wing
4. Quin Mantha- Mobile Suit ZZ Gundam
5. Turn X- Turn A Gundam
6. Dijeh- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
7. Vayeate- Gundam Wing
8. Patulia- After War Gundam X
9. Corin Nander's Kapool- Turn A Gundam
10. Gouf Custom- Gundam: 08th MS Team
11. Guncannon- Mobile Suit Gundam
12. Neue Ziel- Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
13. Rafflesia- F91 Gundam
14. Hildolfr- MS IGLOO
15. Hyaku Shiki- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
16. Thieleva- Gundam Age
17. Vagan Gear Sid- Gundam Age
18. Hy-Gogg- Gundam 0080: War in The Pocket
19. Gogg- Mobile Suit Gundam
20. Gells-Ghe- Gundam SEED Destiny
21. Big Rang- MS IGLOO
22. Asshimar- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
23. Byarlant Custom- Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn
24. Vagan Gear- Gundam Age
25. Xamdrag- Gundam Age
26. Tallgeese 3- Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz
27. Z'Gok-E- Gundam 0080: War in The Pocket
28. Capule- Mobile Suit ZZ Gundam
29. GN Flag- Gundam 00
30. Yzak's GOUF Ignited- Gundam SEED Destiny
31. Val Varo- Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
32. Powered GM- Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
33. Agguguy- Mobile Suit ZZ Gundam
34. Zogok- Mobile Suit ZZ Gundam
35. Zamza-Zah- Gundam SEED Destiny
36. Super Custom Zaku F2000- Model Suit Gunpla Builders Beginning G
37. Kronos- Gundam Age
38. Zeidras- Gundam Age
39. The O- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
40. Palace Athene- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
41. Bolinoak Sammahn- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
42. Barzam- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
43. Tallgeese 2- Gundam Wing
44. Brave- Mobile Suit Gundam 00: A Wakening of The Trail Blazer
45. Dom Tropen- Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
46. Byaku Shiki- Model Suit Gunpla Builders Beginning G
47. Sid- Mobile Suit Gundam Age
48. Gomel- Gundam Age
49. Gyan- Mobile Suit Gundam
50. Shamblo- Mobile Suit Unicorn Gundam
51. Talgeese 1- Gundam Wing
52. Fantoma- Mobile Fighter G Gundam
53. Eagil- Turn A Gundam
54. Cattle- Mobile Suit ZZ Gundam
55. Wrozzo- Gundam Age
56. Danazine- Gundam Age
57. Guntank- Mobile Suit Gundam
58. Gaplant- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
59. Zolo Kai- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
60. Zedas- Mobile Suit Gundam Age (all ver)
61. Sinanju- Mobile Suit Unicorn Gundam
62. Jenice Kai Slash Buffalo- After War Gundam X
63. Bertigo- After War Gundam X
64. Elmer Snell's Zaku 2- MS IGLOO 2: The Gravity Front
65. Ground Assault Type Guntank- MS IGLOO 2: The Gravity Front
66. Rozen Zulu- Mobile Suit Unicorn Gundam
67. Agrissa- Gundam 00
68. Big Zam- Mobile Suit Gundam
69. Braw Bro- Mobile Suit Gundam
70. Dra-C- Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
71. Kampfer- Gundam 0080: War in the Pocket
72. Quatro Bajeena's Rick Dias- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
73. Gunblaster- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
74. Gun-EZ-Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
75. Xamel- Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
76. Geze- Mobile Suit ZZ Gundam
77. Serpento- Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz
78. GN Archer- Gundam 00
79. Zeydra- Mobile Suit Gundam Age
80. Shuichai- Gundam 00
81. Rig Shokew- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam (normal and Imperial ver)
82. Virgo 2- Gundam Wing
83. Taurus- Gundam Wing
84. Anf- Gundam 00
85. WaDom- Turn A Gundam
86. Babi- Gundam SEED Destiny
87. Virgo 1- Gundam Wing
88. Lagowe- Gundam SEED
89. Bucue- Gundam SEED
90. Dodgore- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
91. Zanneck- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
92. Tragos- Gundam Wing
93. Pisces- Gundam Wing
94. Cancer- Gundam Wing
95. WaD- Turn A Gundam
96. Gengaozo- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
97. Re-GZ- Char's Counterattack
98. G-Cannon- F91 Gundam
99. Heavygun- F91 Gundam
100. Delta Plus- Mobile Suit Unicorn Gundam
101. Shokew- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
102. Rig Contio- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
103. Harry Ord's SUMO- Turn A Gundam
104. Nemo- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
105. Ghirarga- Gundam Age
106. Abigor- Mobile Suit Victorry Gundam
107. Jamru Fin- Mobile Suit ZZ Gundam
108. Jegan- Char's Counterattack
109. Sazabi- Char's Counterattack
110. Murphy- G Gundam

[YazanGable]

If they were built in real life, I doubt people would be laughing at them....Oh well, I guess we've had monoeyes for so long people won't settle for anything less than mediocre Zakus....

Well, yeah. It's a giant robot. Even Ginguiser would draw fewer laughs as a gargantuan metal death machine than the goofy mess it is.

Also, the general love for OZ's grunts and the Flags from 00 says it's not THAT wed to the monoeye as you're making it out to be. Is it a shame they didn't take hold? A bit, though I did feel the designs did start to all blur together after a while (with exceptions of boss units like Zanald's metal gorilla) To say this automatically means people wanted Zaku-types though is just throwing to the other extreme. I mean, the show DID have its Zaku equivalents and they certainly didn't seem to enjoy any special popularity. If anything, people more seem to favor the Adele/Clanche...which, while GM-esque, people seem to largely favor on its own merits.

[Amion]

If they were built in real life, I doubt people would be laughing at them....Oh well, I guess we've had monoeyes for so long people won't settle for anything less than mediocre Zakus....

Well, yeah. It's a giant robot. Even Ginguiser would draw fewer laughs as a gargantuan metal death machine than the goofy mess it is.

Also, the general love for OZ's grunts and the Flags from 00 says it's not THAT wed to the monoeye as you're making it out to be. Is it a shame they didn't take hold? A bit, though I did feel the designs did start to all blur together after a while (with exceptions of boss units like Zanald's metal gorilla) To say this automatically means people wanted Zaku-types though is just throwing to the other extreme. I mean, the show DID have its Zaku equivalents and they certainly didn't seem to enjoy any special popularity. If anything, people more seem to favor the Adele/Clanche...which, while GM-esque, people seem to largely favor on its own merits.

My worry is that they'll not keep experimenting with new, different ideas, and try and make them more and more humanoid along the lines of GMs. I also happened to despise most of the grunt machines in both Wing and 00, so me fearing a return of universal century based designs is optimistic to me, considering my tastes.

At Duel's list: My precious Quin Mantha is number three!

[DuelGundam2099]

She's at number 4, dude.

[Silver_August]

I love some of the vagan designs, I love me some HG Farsia and Zeydra, though with that list I'm a little sad I didn't see G-Bouncer or Dark Hound...cuz those along with Clanche Costume and O-Custom are going on my top list... God i need to pick me up a Beargguy...

[DuelGundam2099]

though with that list I'm a little sad I didn't see G-Bouncer or Dark Hound

That is not my favorite gundams list, although if you are curious here it is with the Age ones in bold.

Spoiler

1. V2 Gundam/Buster Assault- Victory Gundam
2. Duel Gundam Assault Shroud- Gundam SEED
3. Double X Gundam- After War Gundam X
4. Epyon Gundam- Gundam Wing
5. Physalis Gundam- Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
6. Providence Gundam- Gundam SEED Destiny
7. Full Armor ZZ Gundam- Mobile Suit ZZ Gundam
8. Altron Gundam (TV and EW Versions)- Gundam Wing
9. Kyrios Gundam- Gundam 00
10. Ashtaron Hermit Crab- After War Gundam X
11. Virsago Chestbreak- After War Gundam X
12. Leopard Destroy- After War Gundam X
13. ZZ Gundam- Mobile Suit ZZ Gundam
14. Forever Gundam- Gunpla Builders G
15. Psyco Gundam Mark 2- Zeta Gundam
16. Leopard Gundam- After War Gundam X
17. Ashtaron Gundam- After War Gundam X
18. Arios Gundam- Gundam 00
19. Duel Gundam- Gundam SEED
20. Spiegal Gundam- G Gundam
21. Devil Gundam- G Gundam
22. Grand Master Gundam- G Gundam
23. Chaos Gundam- Gundam SEED Destiny
24. Strike Freedom Gundam- Gundam SEED Destiny
25. Legend Gundam- Gundam SEED Destiny
26. Virsago Gundam- After War Gundam X
27. X Divider Gundam- After War Gundam X
28. Reborns Gundam- Gundam 00
29. Maxtar Gundam- G Gundam
30. God Gundam- G Gundam
31. Grand Gundam- G Gundam
32. Skull Gundam- G Gundam
33. Abyss Gundam- Gundam SEED Destiny
34. X Gundam- After War Gundam X
35. Qan [T] Gundam- Gundam 00: A Wakening of The Trailblazer
36. Shenlong Gundam- Gundam Wing
37. Destroy Gundam- Gundam SEED Destiny
38. Cherudim Gundam- Gundam 00
39. Wing Zero Gundam (TV and EW Versions)- Gundam Wing
40. Freedom Gundam- Gundam SEED
41. Sandrock Kai (TV and EW Versions)- Gundam Wing
42. Dynames Gundam- Gundam 00
43. Infinite Justice Gundam- Gundam SEED Destiny
44. Mermaid Gundam- G Gundam
45. Sandrock Gundam- Gundam Wing
46. Unicorn Gundam- Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn
47. Wing Gundam- Gundam Wing
48. Alex Gundam- Gundam 0080: War in The Pocket
49. Ez8 Gundam- Gundam: 08th MS Team
50. Heavyarms Kai (TV and EW Versions)- Gundam Wing
51. Dragon Gundam- G Gundam
52. F91 Gundam- Mobile Suit Gundam F91
53. Seravee Gundam- Gundam 00
54. Deathscythe Hell Gundam (TV and EW Versions)- Gundam Wing
55. Psyco Gundam Mark 1- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
56. Heavyarms Gundam- Gundam Wing
57. Destiny Gundam- Gundam SEED Destiny
58. Pharaoh Gundam- G Gundam
59. Forbidden Gundam- Gundam SEED
60. Justice Gundam- Gundam SEED
61. Zeta Gundam- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
62. Nu Gundam- Char's Counterattack
63. Virtue Gundam- Gundam 00
64. Deathscythe Gundam- Gundam Wing
65. Airmaster Burst- After War Gundam X
66. Impulse Gundam- Gundam SEED Destiny
67. Buster Gundam- Gundam SEED
68. Blitz Gundam- Gundam SEED
69. Super Gundam- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
70. 0 Gundam- Gundam 00
71. Strike Gundam- Gundam SEED
72. 00 Raiser Gundam- Gundam 00
73. Airmaster Gundam- After War Gundam X
74. Original Gundam Mark 2- Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
75. Original Gundam Mark 1- Mobile Suit Gundam
76. Beginning 30 Gundam- Gunpla Builders G
77. Bolt Gundam- G Gundam
78. Raphael Gundam- Gundam 00: A Wakening of The Trailblazer
79. Ashura Gundam- G Gundam
80. Age-3 Gundam- Gundam Age
81. 00 Gundam- Gundam 00
82. Ground Type Gundam- Gundam: 08th MS Team
83. Beginning Gundam- Gunpla Builders G
84. Rose Gundam- G Gundam
85. Exia Gundam- Gundam 00
86. Aegis Gundam- Gundam SEED
87. Ground Type Gundam GM Head- Gundam: 08th MS Team
88. Zabanya Gundam- Gundam 00: A Wakening of The Trailblazer
89. Harute Gundam- Gundam 00: A Wakening of The Trailblazer
90. Cobra Gundam- G Gundam
91. Lumber Gundam- G Gundam
92. Mirage Gundam- G Gundam
93. Dendrobium Orchis Gundam- Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
94. Seravee 2 Gundam- Gundam 00: A Wakening of The Trailblazer
95. Rising Gundam- G Gundam
96. Age-2 Gundam- Gundam Age
97. Exia Repair 1- Gundam 00
98. Heaven's Sword Gundam- G Gundam
99. Seraphim Gundam- Gundam 00
100. Full Vernian Zephyranthes Gundam- Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
101. Exia Repair 2- Gundam 00
102. Mandala Gundam- G Gundam
103. Age-1 Gundam- Gundam Age
104. Nadleeh Gundam- Gundam 00
105. Zephyranthes Gundam- Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
106. V-Dash Gundams- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
107. V-Dash Hexas- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
108. Viking Gundam- G Gundam
109. Neros Gundam- G Gundam
110. Tequila Gundam- G Gundam
111. Nobel Gundam- G Gundam
112. Strike Noir- Gundam SEED Destiny: Stargazer
113. Verde Buster Gundam- Gundam SEED Destiny: Stargazer
114. Victory Gundams- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
115. Victory Gundam Hexas- Mobile Suit Victory Gundam
116. Dendrobium Stamen Gundam- Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory
117. Mermaid Gundam- G Gundam
118. Zebra Gundam- G Gundam
119. Akatsuki Gundam- Gundam SEED Destiny
120. Strike Rouge- Gundam SEED
121. Minaret Gundam- G Gundam
122. Throne Eins Gundam- Gundam 00
123. Throne Zwei Gundam- Gundam 00
124. Throne Drei Gundam- Gundam 00
125. Jester Gundam- G Gundam
126. Walter Gundam- G Gundam
127. Matador Gundam- G Gundam
128. Turn A Gundam- Turn A Gundam
129. Temjin Gundam- G Gundam
130. Arche Gundam- Gundam 00
131. Banshee Gundam- Unicorn Gundam
132. G-Saviour- G-Saviour
133. Blu Duel- Gundam SEED Destiny: Stargazer
134. Stargazer- Gundam SEED Destiny: Stargazer
135. Gundam Head- G Gundam

Notice the lack of Legilis and Age-FX, if even I could not like 'em...... Well some people liked them so eh. Come to think of it who did like those two? Because I do not remember anyone saying they were awesome or anything.

[Newtype87]

In a general sense, I really liked most of the designs. I liked the Vegan suits for being so unique, and I LOVED the Genoace/Clanche series of mobile suits. Probably my favorite grunts ever, even though they sucked, but that's what grunts are for anyway. Most of the Gundams were kind "meh" for me, but I loved all three of the AGE-3's forms, and I was sad to see it go so fast.

Actually, this is kinda sad. This show ended only two or three weeks ago, and already this topic is effectively on life-support. 00's kept going for quite a while, even after the movie happened.

[DuelGundam2099]

Actually, this is kinda sad. This show ended only two or three weeks ago, and already this topic is effectively on life-support. 00's kept going for quite a while, even after the movie happened.

The movie was announced right after the last episode so there would still be something to talk about, Age has not done that so there is nothing to talk about.

[Compass]

The Vagan suits from Arc 1 were memorable because we didn't know they were human. They were dragon-like robotic entities who for all we know could have been, you know... actual robotic dragons. The part where the eye line glowed and they made the beeping sound added to the mystery factor.

Then they reused the design repeatedly, even after we knew they were humans, and then the appeal started fading, simply because everything seemed to style off the core mechanic of "This looks like a dragon. With a slit for eyes." Even the humanoid suits had dragon-like features. Shooting with your "tail" like a cannon? That always looked funky in my book.

I don't think they looked bad, but it felt like some of the suits with their tail beams were poorly executed. Epyon, for example, had a tail in MA mode, that turned into a whip in MS mode.

I also had issues with the energy bits. I still am not sure if those are robots, balls of pure energy, or what. It was never explained how they could follow things around.

[Kei Katsuragi]

@Duel, this isn't the mech thread, but to respond to something you said, the FX has become one of my personal favorite Gundams, and I really like the kit for the Legilis, and thought it looked nice in lineart, but in the show it was sort of just meh.

[frezik]

Finished this series just the other day. I had watched the first few episodes, got sidetracked, and then rushed through it all over the past few weeks.

I feel like the early episodes were meh, which is part of the reason I let myself get sidetracked. As I got through it, it seemed to be getting better and better, especially in the second generation. There were writing mistakes where certain characters make decisions that don't make sense, but I felt the mistakes were self-contained. You could forgive them because a few tweaks would have made it work with the overall plot intact. Compare that to, say, Gundam Wing, where there were a lot of confusing elements that are deeply embedded in the story--too much stuff would have to be rewritten to make it work.

Towards the end of the second generation, though, things start falling apart, and that continues through the third generation. The show loses its grasp on the plot, and since this is the ending, every mistake starts to matter more.

Likes:

* There are no enemy grunt suits. There are friendly grunt suits (first generation Genoaces are worse than the Leo), but all the enemy suits are tough to beat, at least at first.
* The Rapid Prototyping of the AGE system was a neat idea
* The theme of characters getting caught in cycles of revenge. Not a new idea for Gundam, but I don't think it was ever explored to this depth.
* Multi-generational arc was also a neat idea, and could have been pulled off with better writing
* Yurin might have been an obvious Lah Lah reference, but her death was pulled off just as well

Dislikes:

* No Bright Slaps for characters that needed to be Bright Slapped
* Characters start complex and become superficial. Flit turns from a kid genius into a genocidal maniac. Zehart turns from a tortured antagonist to a blind follower of Ezelcant. Fram goes from testing Zehart to being a blind fangirl. Asemu goes from being ready to settle down with his family to being a pirate for no good reason. Romary doesn't Bright Slap him when they reunite.
* Why oh why does SID just randomly show up at the end?
* War Orphans. Just stop it. They were no good in First Gundam, they were even more pointless in Zeta, and only exist here to give Wendy something to do.
* Kio hands over critical data in exchange for do-nothing drugs because he's a stupid kid. This is what would happen in Real Life if you put stupid kids in mobile suits.
* Not one good, lasting female character.
* Everything about Kio in the last half of his arc. He's a failure of self-awareness.
* "Let's have Newtype powers, but not call it 'Newtype' just to be different"

Overall, better than SEED Destiny, but not as good as SEED. SEED at least managed to keep its head above water all the way to the end.

Edit: also, if there is a followup to AGE, Seric must stay dead. If they do the Mu La Flaga thing again, I swear to FSM, there will be blood in the streets.