The Universal Century's inability to change for the better.

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Post by Amadi Akintunde » Thu Mar 03, 2011 12:25 am

Brave Fencer Kirby wrote:
Deacon Blues wrote:It's not a retcon.
What would you call it, then?
An expansion?
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Further reason as to why Zeon Zum Deikun's (and by certain extension Zeon's) efforts for colonial independence were completely justified? Without the Universal Century Charter, the people of the colonies were essentially slaves to the Earth Federation.

Speaking of which, do we know who exactly drafted the UC Charter? And why those terrorists did what they did at Laplace?
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Re: The Universal Century's inability to change for the bett

Post by flamingtroll » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:21 am

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Further reason as to why Zeon Zum Deikun's (and by certain extension Zeon's) efforts for colonial independence were completely justified? Without the Universal Century Charter, the people of the colonies were essentially slaves to the Earth Federation.

Speaking of which, do we know who exactly drafted the UC Charter? And why those terrorists did what they did at Laplace?
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It's actually the other way around. The clause that allows for political participation for spacenoids was added secretly by Ricardo Mercenas and his liberal supporters in the EFSF parliament. The terrorist were of course people that did not want to be forced from their homeland into space, but the novel mentioned that some of the financial backer for that particular attack was by the EF hawks, one of which was Ricardo's son (Riddhe's grandfather) in the EF because they think they will lose control over the colonies if they let Ricardo further his agenda. I think it's a legitimate concern, considering that they would be heavily relying on the colonies to support people on earth.

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Re: The Universal Century's inability to change for the bett

Post by Amadi Akintunde » Thu Mar 03, 2011 1:40 am

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It's actually the other way around. The clause that allows for political participation for spacenoids was added secretly by Ricardo Mercenas and his liberal supporters in the EFSF parliament. The terrorist were of course people that did not want to be forced from their homeland into space, but the novel mentioned that some of the financial backer for that particular attack was by the EF hawks, one of which was Ricardo's son (Riddhe's grandfather) in the EF because they think they will lose control over the colonies if they let Ricardo further his agenda. I think it's a legitimate concern, considering that they would be heavily relying on the colonies to support people on earth.
Aaah. That makes sense then.

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Re: The Universal Century's inability to change for the bett

Post by Slyther2rao » Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:20 am

I definitely get the feeling that that is the case, especially after watching Victory Gundam XD. It makes me wonder that even after a 100 odd years, UC looks like it'll never improve. And no, G-Saviour doesn't count! Felt kinda sat that even at the very end, UC still ends in bloodshed.

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Post by Cybaster » Sat Apr 23, 2011 2:19 am

Cardi Doorl wrote:I always thought that UC Newtypeness was depicted as a sort of enlightenment or greater consciousness or awareness rather than a genetic trait. It's because of that that you get some arguable characters like Mirai or Jerid who blur the line between Newtype and Oldtype.

Or, at the very least, like J-Lead said they never make much connection between genetics and being a Newtype.
The point Zeon Daikun was trying to make, alas, was that it is mostly genetics at work that make the Newtype --- they're the next evolution of humanity, for the sole reason that humanity who live in space gradually do so to adapt to the 'need' to communicate with each other mentally over vast treads of empty space. But the Catch-22, of course, is that humanity as a whole need to live in space for long periods of time to feel this need; the opposite are the people that cling to Earth and refuse to leave, or 'Oldtypes', that hence supposedly will never evolve in this manner and would merely cling to the Earth like parasites until both withered and degenerated. (This was also why the SRA in Gundam X, although it's an AU, got a virtual ulcer at the discovery of an actual Earth-born Newtype to the point where the SRA contemplated quietly doing away with her and claiming that she never existed; If Tiffa Adill didn't get her powers by adapting to the need to live in space, why was she even called a Newtype in the first place?)

Of course, you can also say that the one that needed to evolve the most in this manner came up direly short: by saying what he did for a moment of fame, Zeon Daikun never managed to comprehend the type of damage he's ended up doing to the Earth Sphere in the long run through the wars he indirectly started (or lived long enough to see as such) --- various extremists such as Carozzo Ronah, Crux Dogatie and even Daikun's own son would see his words as a precursor to either destroy the Earth in order to save Humanity, or to destroy Humanity to save Earth.

And then, on the other side, you have the Earth Federation, who weren't shining paragons of morality themselves and, as everyone said, was gradually declining exactly because, coincidentally true to 'Oldtype' form, they were refusing to improve themselves (the 'status quo') and merely went with what had served them well in the past, the most telltale sign of this being the antiquated Battleship Theory of warfare used by the EFSF during the early One Year War. The Federation as a whole had always seemingly believed in 'if it's not broke, don't fix it', especially after the end of each and every conflict they ended up surviving --- it's never been known to be very dynamic, and General Revil was likely the only person who was dynamic and would've had enough influence within the Federation itself to change the self-degenerating path it was spiralling to. Then there was also sheer bad luck against it; Revil's death not only robbed the Federation of a well-needed moral compass, but also of its authoritative backbone.

After 0083, the Federation was pretty much up for grabs for whoever was ambitious enough to take its reins in a facade of prosperity, which combined with various extremists and warlords trying to overthrow it, gave the Universal Century conflicts that just went on and on and on...
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Re: The Universal Century's inability to change for the bett

Post by kayone73 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:42 pm

DAG101 wrote:One thing that should be considered is, the focus of Gundam is on the war...we don't get much of a look at those periods of peace in UC
I think this is a good point, all UC Gundam entries are focusing on times of conflict, not peace, prosperity, *civilian* cultural, technology or whatever advancement. We barely get slivers into non-military life so I can't necessarily agree with the OP's overall stance. It seems like humanity is making foward advancement but its constantly marred with bouts of conflict....also because writing about peace and prosperity does not make for interesting story telling.

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