(What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

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(What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by Resident of GMT-5 » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:56 am

I would like to ask everyone's opinion on Gundam series with aliens. To be more specific, these "aliens" i'm talking about would be more "Vajra (Macross F)" and "Blue (Blue Gender)" -ish, not the "Zentradi" ones.

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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by Gadget » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:54 am

I think this topic has came up a few times. Basically, Gundam is about war human fighting against human. May it be open war (MSG), a round robin fight (G), terrorist type attack (00 and W) or during anarchy (X). IT's about humans.
The closest thing about aliens are the Space Whales mentioned in Seed.

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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by Brave Fencer Kirby » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:24 am

Yeah, one of the few standards across every Gundam series is a distinct lack of aliens. It sort of misses the point; Gundam's always been about the differences between human beings, and the future of the human race. (One of the reasons the ending of Gundam 00 was sort of wonky in my opinion was the fact that they started talking about running into aliens.) Adding in aliens would just seem to miss the "feel" of Gundam -- it'd be like adding giant robots to DBZ or something. It just doesn't fit.
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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by Oruma » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:23 pm

In that case, what about human aliens (Like Cylon in the remake Galactica)?
Or a more distant version of Moonrace? Do you think that'd work?
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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by ShadowCell » Mon Aug 17, 2009 2:37 pm

Why call them aliens, then?

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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by thanatos » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:05 pm

I, for one, appreciate Gundam for its distinct lack of aliens. If you want some aliens with your mecha they've got plenty of that. It's called Macross.
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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by AceWhatever » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:54 am

I think the people who keep asking for a Gundam show with non-human aliens aren't looking at the big picture. What's so special about this compared to other alien-themed RR shows? It's not like that'll require drastically different mobile suit designs for one thing, and judging from the examples the TC wants the aliens simply as a somewhat mindless entity that only exists to be blown away in massive firefights.

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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by Kuruni » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:58 am

Oruma wrote:In that case, what about human aliens (Like Cylon in the remake Galactica)?
Or a more distant version of Moonrace? Do you think that'd work?
You must mean those who leave Earth in Turn A's background story. Somehow I feel that they should be left unseen. It's such "myth" appeal that made Turn A charm.

But for brand new race. No, all gundam fan known humanoid alien won't work. Frog alien, however, is worth seeing.
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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by Gadget » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:50 am

Kuruni wrote: Frog alien, however, is worth seeing.
Huhhh??

A side track issue...

Macross isn't just about aliens. It's a combination of aliens, music and love triangle. :wink:

A recurrent topic in Gundam is the effects of war. And there is also a battle of different governmental philosophy or racial superiority.

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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by hawk of endymion » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:24 pm

Don't know how I'd think of a Gundam with aliens. I believe one of the things that make Gundam interesting is that there are no aliens. I think there are enough mecha shows with aliens as the enemy.
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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by Gundam Enzyklopadist » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:33 pm

A Gundam series with Aliens? No way, since it is a human war drama, where humans fight humans.

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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by MrMarch » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:42 pm

Gundam could work with aliens, but the aliens would have to be written in such a way where they become involved in a human civil conflict. Something like Iain M. Bank's novel Look to Windward.

Just something to note, technically Macross never had aliens until Macross 7. Zentradi and Humans are nearly identical genetically and both have the same ancestors. Ergo, they were not aliens since they were basically the same species, enough so that human laws and human rights were bestowed upon the Zentradi by default. Of course, the Protodeviln of Macross 7 and the Vajra of Macross Frontier are about as alien as it gets. But SDF Macross was not originally about aliens at all.

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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by azrael » Tue Aug 18, 2009 3:32 pm

I've always seen Gundam as humans taking on human issues. No one knows human issues better than humans. And 99.99999999...% of the audience is human so it definitely appeals to the audience.
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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by Resident of GMT-5 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:09 pm

azrael wrote:I've always seen Gundam as humans taking on human issues. No one knows human issues better than humans. And 99.99999999...% of the audience is human so it definitely appeals to the audience.
Hahahahah, and what about the other 0,000000....1%?
AceWhatever wrote:I think the people who keep asking for a Gundam show with non-human aliens aren't looking at the big picture. What's so special about this compared to other alien-themed RR shows? It's not like that'll require drastically different mobile suit designs for one thing, and judging from the examples the TC wants the aliens simply as a somewhat mindless entity that only exists to be blown away in massive firefights.
No, I'm not asking "those guys" to make a Gundam series with aliens, i just want to ask everyone's opinion on it if it was made, thus the (What if) in the title.

Blown away in a massive firefights, huh... I guess you gotta point there. But you know, intelligent aliens will probably be a poor subtitute for a human army, so yeah.

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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by VentZX » Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:09 pm

Resident of GMT-5 wrote:
azrael wrote:I've always seen Gundam as humans taking on human issues. No one knows human issues better than humans. And 99.99999999...% of the audience is human so it definitely appeals to the audience.
Hahahahah, and what about the other 0,000000....1%?
Mathematically speaking, 0.9999... (where ... indicates it's repeating endlessly) is exactly equal to 1, so saying 99.999...% is the same as saying 100%. (1/3=0.33...; 0.33...x3=.99... therefore, .99...=1)


Anyway, it would certainly be interesting to see aliens implemented into a Gundam series, but it would have to be done right. For example, G Gundam is, on the surface, a huge departure from other Gundam shows, but when you get deeper into the show, you find that it is built on the fundamentals of what makes a Gundam show Gundam. That said, I don't know how exactly they'd go about doing it. 00 keeps hinting at "dialogues to come" and if that refers to aliens, well...I'll wait to see how it's handled.

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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by Dean_the_Young » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:53 pm

VentZX wrote:
Resident of GMT-5 wrote:
azrael wrote:I've always seen Gundam as humans taking on human issues. No one knows human issues better than humans. And 99.99999999...% of the audience is human so it definitely appeals to the audience.
Hahahahah, and what about the other 0,000000....1%?
Mathematically speaking, 0.9999... (where ... indicates it's repeating endlessly) is exactly equal to 1, so saying 99.999...% is the same as saying 100%. (1/3=0.33...; 0.33...x3=.99... therefore, .99...=1)


Anyway, it would certainly be interesting to see aliens implemented into a Gundam series, but it would have to be done right. For example, G Gundam is, on the surface, a huge departure from other Gundam shows, but when you get deeper into the show, you find that it is built on the fundamentals of what makes a Gundam show Gundam. That said, I don't know how exactly they'd go about doing it. 00 keeps hinting at "dialogues to come" and if that refers to aliens, well...I'll wait to see how it's handled.
Unless Japanese material specifically said aliens, that could just as well have referred to a human-wide GN particle connection in which everyone has a perfect understanding with everyone. Most of what the A-LAWS were doing could just as well have been seen as preparing the world for such a moment, one that was in Ribbon's favor of course.
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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by ShadowCell » Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:55 pm

Aliens or not, 00 does not really need to show any aliens. It's still a story about humans trying to solve the human problem of conflict and lack of understanding, with the added detail that once we do that, we'll be ready to start conversing with possibly alien species.

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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by ZeroBusterXX » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:52 pm

Mizushima was interviewed at some convention, and when asked about aliens appearing in the 00 Movie, he said something to the effect of "in my opinion, the Innovators were already very 'alien' to me." I figured that was something.

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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by Red Comet90 » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:46 pm

ZeroBusterXX wrote:Mizushima was interviewed at some convention, and when asked about aliens appearing in the 00 Movie, he said something to the effect of "in my opinion, the Innovators were already very 'alien' to me." I figured that was something.
And to some extent he's right. If he's referring to the Innovedos then to Gundam they are a rather foreign concept with how they live and think. Although artificial life in Gundam is nothing new with characters like Kira. I would hope we don't see any aliens in the 00 movie. I think it wouldn't be handled well if there were unless it flashes forward 500 years after the movie ends and shows Humans in contact with new beings.
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Re: (What if) A Gundam series with aliens?

Post by Kuruni » Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:06 am

Gadget wrote:
Kuruni wrote: Frog alien, however, is worth seeing.
Huhhh??
It's referrence to only alien race that depict as being more Gundam-fan than us. We're talking about one that worship Katoki Hajime, built Zaku II gunpla to kill time while waiting in line at gamestore, refer to relationship with his dad as "like Amuro Ray and Tem Ray", has squad of Master Grade GM since grunt only appeal when there are lot of them...and at least one soldier has nickname like "Nightmare of Keromon". Geez, they should blow this Earth few times already if it isn't fact that Bandai's plamo facility only available on Earth.

If none make sense to you, I'm talking about Keroro Gunsou :mrgreen: .
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