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Post by BrentD15 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:54 am

Gelgoog Jager wrote:
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People have been massively misinterpreting that to mean that Thunderbolt is not part of UC canon. Given Sunrise's stance that everything animated is official, nothing in Thunderbolt or The Origin suggests that they exist in a separate canon.
From someone who wouldn’t love anything more than a gigantic Dolos like the one from The Origin manga, that could decimate the entire EF fleet on its own (or even just for a third ship of the class) to be part of the UC canon we are familiar with, I must say that the Dolos from Thunderbolt should be the most clear example that we are dealing with a separate/alternate UC timeline here.

The technology of Thunderbolt itself in many cases surpasses what we would see decades later in UC, for example, the existance of beam coating during the OYW, which according to Mark was limited to the Gelgoog’s zulu Shield, and even then, it could only partially block a beam shot received at an angle, has been changed to the degree that even the mass produced shields of GMs can stop the anti-ship beam from a Bigro at point blank range.

This is just a minor example of changes that would be hard to reconcile with the rest of the UC mechas we are familiar with, at least not without going through major redesigns of most UC mobile weapons and vehicles to incorporate features that in the Thunderbolt universe are staple (such as the extra arms of the space units), and which, while possibly more realistic by today’s real world standards, don’t follow the design philosophy of the prior designs.

If nothing else, I would suggest keeping Thunderbolt’s redesigns separate from the profiles of other UC series units for the time being, given their signifcant (sometimes even radical) differences, which do seem to support the idea that the author preferred to take the not canon route in order to have the freedom to implement those drastic changes.
This is one of the reasons why I personally don't see The Origin and Thunderbolt as part of the same UC canon as the original MSG without it being considered revisionism.
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Post by Chris » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:00 pm

Gelgoog Jager wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:41 am
From someone who wouldn’t love anything more than a gigantic Dolos like the one from The Origin manga, that could decimate the entire EF fleet on its own (or even just for a third ship of the class) to be part of the UC canon we are familiar with, I must say that the Dolos from Thunderbolt should be the most clear example that we are dealing with a separate/alternate UC timeline here.

The technology of Thunderbolt itself in many cases surpasses what we would see decades later in UC, for example, the existance of beam coating during the OYW, which according to Mark was limited to the Gelgoog’s zulu Shield, and even then, it could only partially block a beam shot received at an angle, has been changed to the degree that even the mass produced shields of GMs can stop the anti-ship beam from a Bigro at point blank range.

This is just a minor example of changes that would be hard to reconcile with the rest of the UC mechas we are familiar with, at least not without going through major redesigns of most UC mobile weapons and vehicles to incorporate features that in the Thunderbolt universe are staple (such as the extra arms of the space units), and which, while possibly more realistic by today’s real world standards, don’t follow the design philosophy of the prior designs.

If nothing else, I would suggest keeping Thunderbolt’s redesigns separate from the profiles of other UC series units for the time being, given their signifcant (sometimes even radical) differences, which do seem to support the idea that the author preferred to take the not canon route in order to have the freedom to implement those drastic changes.
There is no such thing as an alternate UC canon, which I've stated before is just a fan invention. Sunrise has never been bothered in the past by conflicting technology in the OYW era (see: every previous OYW OVA), and Thunderbolt is no different. No changes will be made.
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Post by Deathzealot » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:11 pm

Ummmm... Gelgoog Jager if I am not mistaken the GM Shields also had Anti-Beam Coating on them though I really doubt they would have held up against large-scale beam weapons like you mentioned. Just a thought.

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Post by Gelgoog Jager » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:01 pm

GM shields do end up using anti-beam coating AFTER the OYW, and the technology certainly progressed to the point that by U.C. 0096 it seems capable of fully blocking your average beam rifle shot beams without taking any noticeable damage. However, during the OYW itself, the earliest attempt was the Gelgoog's shield (according to the Master Grade kit manual), and even then it wasn't very effective as I mentioned earlier. What the EF did employ to great effect during the Battle of Solomon (and with lesser results at A Baoa Qu) was beam dispersion smoke missiles fired from Public class ships, which comes with drawback of affecting not only your enemies beam weapons, but also your own.

Canon-wise, this makes a lot of sense: the EF developed the Gundam (and later the GM) to outclass Zeon MS, which early on consisted almost entirely of MS-06 Zaku series units, and even late into the conflict still made up the bulk of Zeon's MS forces. Aside from warships, Zeon's beam weapons were limited to a few types of units (MAs, amphibious MS, units with additional gear to power up a beam weapon or hi-end MS that were only deployed at the end of the conflict, etc.) and even then, production of handheld beam weapons was delayed to the point that mass production became only possible during the last few weeks of the war. In short, most of Zeon's beam weapons were larger battleship grade from actual warships, while the smaller beam weapons (which an hypothetical early EF anti-beam coating could have attempted to actually block) were scarce at best during much of the conflict. By the late U.C. 0080's beam weapons have been largely adopted by all factions, not to mention that the EF likely gained access to some of Zeon's OYW research on the matter that would surely help them advance their own research, leading to the likewise widely adoption of this defensive measure at that point.

What about Zeon? We know the Principality pushed a radical shift on their development projects when the first intel on the Gundam (and other V project units) and its beam weapons became available, on one hand resulting in the change of scope for the Gelgoog series. And while developing comparable beam weapons became the aim of several projects (ranging from MAs to units like the MS-05L, not to mention large-sized supplemental weapons such as the Skiure or beam bazooka), countermeasures against said beam weapons, given the fear that EF could mass produce units equipped with them, were the other natural step to take, ultimately resulting in the MS-14's zulu shield, the earliest, if somewhat crude, attempt at implementing this technology on the field.

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Post by Kuruni » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:11 am

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Post by Dark Duel » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:24 pm

Long-clan OZ-00MS Tallgeese, as seen in Episode Zero and Glory of the Losers volume 2. Put that together last night using Tallgeese and Leo Early Type lineart.
I thought about recoloring the pic of it that's in GotL vol2, but decided to put together a modified version of Tallgeese's old official lineart instead. GotL vol2 gives its color as navy blue.
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Post by Omega » Tue Aug 21, 2018 11:19 pm

I noticed the Theta Plus's page on MAHQ was up, but didn't have it's Core Fighter

EDIT: I know the Overon is up, but with the previous month's issue of Gundam ACE, I thought it best to post this.

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Post by Omega » Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:47 am

I know there's a Build Fighters section up, but as I don't know if Build Divers stuff should go there...
AGE-2 Magnum's Dark Hound disguise
GF13-017NJ/B Shining Gundam Break (I know the actual page says Gundam Shining Break, but it feels weird typing it that way)
Shining Berkut (It also curiously regains traditional Gundam colors when the Break Decal is active)
YG-III Gundam G-Else (Second link is it's natural form while first is it under the effects of a Break Decal)

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Post by E08 » Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:17 am

Omega wrote:
Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:47 am
I know there's a Build Fighters section up, but as I don't know if Build Divers stuff should go there...
AGE-2 Magnum's Dark Hound disguise
GF13-017NJ/B Shining Gundam Break (I know the actual page says Gundam Shining Break, but it feels weird typing it that way)
Shining Berkut (It also curiously regains traditional Gundam colors when the Break Decal is active)
YG-III Gundam G-Else (Second link is it's natural form while first is it under the effects of a Break Decal)
Based on my understanding of the text in the Gundam Shining Break and G-Else scans, the changes of both Gunplas are actually not due to the effects of the Break Decal. Rather, the changes are how they look like at different time periods. The story of Gundam Build Divers Break is split into 'Before' and 'After' sections. 'Before' refers to the time period before Riku joins GBN, and 'After' is after Riku joins GBN. Correspondingly, the 'Before Ver.' label is for how the two Gunplas look like before Riku joins GBN, and the 'After Ver.' label is for they look like after Riku joins GBN.

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Post by Omega » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:28 pm

Oh... I just read the first chapter of the manga, and thought that the traditional Gundam colors on Shining Break were because of the Break Decal rather than before or after Riku comes to GBN as a panel in it had shown the suit turn white when the Break Decal kicked in.

AMA-103 Medussa (It's basically a transformable Hamma Hamma with two extra arms in place of the legs)
MS-11R/MS-11RS (Seems to be the main grunt of the Neo Zeon group in Walpurgis, idk the actual name of the suit)
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Post by BrentD15 » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:38 am

Dat Hambrabi variant, tho.
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Post by bilbros » Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:54 am

MS-11R/MS-11RS (Seems to be the main grunt of the Neo Zeon group in Walpurgis, idk the actual name of the suit)
The MS-11R is called Zaku Machinery; the yellow unit is a customized MS-11RS (i.e. an officer model) for Ernald (please note that in the linked image the pilot is wrongly spelled ERUDORUDO, whereas in the manga he is ERUNARUDO)

Dat Hambrabi variant, tho.
That one is named Hambrabi Kai; the two drawings near to it (Messala Dynames and Lindenbaum) and the other The-O variants on the right (Teseninina and Perfect The-O are all fan designs for a contest themed on new Scirocco-made MSs.

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Post by Zeis » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:43 am

I've found a few interesting MSV tidbits I've never seen before.

First, variants of the TIN Cod, Flatmouse, and Mongoose that I never even knew existed, then there's a bunch of MSV-style art of MSG ships and vehicles. Lastly, from another MSV book, there's a bunch of weird Zeon tanks that I'm not sure are official, so I've included the uncropped pages so someone can possibly translate them.

https://imgur.com/a/Q8TW0

For anyone who's curious, the source of the Flatmouse, TIN Cod and Mongoose is this book (WARNING, NSFW banner ads, you definitely want an ad blocker)

https://e-hentai.org/g/1128900/3fb503060e/

That same book also includes the interesting trivia that the Type 61 tank is powered by a BGT-2500 gas turbine-type engine.

And, finally, the Gattle's large missiles: https://imgur.com/eM0p14G

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Post by DragoMaster009 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:12 pm

Just a small amendment to that second link in the previous post, the guy who uploaded it has a LOT of artbooks on his page (and not just for Gundam-type shows only, he also has artbooks for shows like for Daitarn 3 and L-Gaim, or even non-anime stuff like Over the Garden Wall and Rick and Morty.)

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Post by DragoMaster009 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:30 pm

Here are some more uploaders with pages full of artbooks, same warning as last time: NSFW banner ads so ad blockers are needed, also you should probably stick to the links that have either NON-H or MISC on the far left of the page just to be on the safe side:

https://e-hentai.org/uploader/RobotDemon
https://e-hentai.org/uploader/akp47
https://e-hentai.org/uploader/einal
https://e-hentai.org/g/1225090/8ff5118085/
https://e-hentai.org/uploader/Nicone52

EDIT:

How do you either combine or delete posts here? I didn't mean to turn this into a double-post.

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Post by Seto Kaiba » Wed Feb 13, 2019 3:55 pm

DragoMaster009 wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:30 pm
How do you either combine or delete posts here? I didn't mean to turn this into a double-post.
This forum uses phpBB, and it looks like they've got the permission that lets users delete their own posts turned off. Merging can only be done by a mod or admin.
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Post by DragoMaster009 » Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:21 pm

Swell. Well, the links are valid at any rate, I just didn't realize that I had somehow switched over from "edit post" to "make a new post" until it was too late. Still, mistakes happen.

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Post by Zeis » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:40 pm

Update to my MSV submissions, I added MSV versions of the Cui, Papua, Fanfan, Fat Uncle, and Sealance.

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Post by AmuroNT1 » Sun May 12, 2019 1:46 am

As a quick little note, the Premium Bandai release of the Maganacs from Gundam Wing has given names to a couple of the more obscure weapons they wield. The assault rifle-looking weapon (seen in this picture above the heat tomahawk) is called a "long barrel rifle", while the arm-mounted weapon seen here is simply called "arm rifle".
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Post by yazi88 » Fri May 31, 2019 7:20 pm

Just want to give a heads up that the Silver Bullet Suppressor from Gundam Narrative is also equipped with Grenade launchers, and beam cannons according to Gundam Narrative Mechanical Archives.

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