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Well, Zack Snyder's live action adaptation of Moore's classic graphic novel now has a trailer. Much like the costume pictures that were released, it looks brilliant visually, but that's not the part that concerns me :)

http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/07/17/ ... -stunning/

I hope the script and acting is as good as all the made-to-geekgasm appetizers fed to us in the trailer, but I'm still a bit worried.
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I'm just wondering how it's going to be compressed into a reasonable time frame. I mean, there are a lot of sections which can be shortened (for instance cutting out the comic portions, or not showing the perspective of Rorschach's psychologist), but the world and its history is different enough that just setting all that up is going to take some time. In particular, it's hard to do that sort of setting work at the same time as the main plot, especially when some of Watchmen's plot is fairly convoluted.
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Well, from what is seen in the trailer, it seems that Zack Snyder is going to stay pretty close to the original graphic novel's storyline (as he did with The 300).

The problem is whether he will be able to convey the subtle background plot points from early in the story(the eventually accumulate into larger plot points in the final 2 chapters), or whether or not the audience will be able to follow along with them over the course of the movie (since it's easier to flip back and see the connections with the TPB in hand).

That said, it should be an incredible movie if Snyder and his writers can keep the three concurrent subplot points running through the movie, those being how far a man/woman would go for his personal justice, what is (a) God's view of humanity and their struggles, and what a civilization would do when standing at the brink of destruction.

Also, I think the most likely material that would be cut for time would be the plot involving the Minutemen, such as the original Nightowl, and The Comedian's involvement with the original Silk Specter. Though the scene on Mars was a pretty pivotal plot twist when the 2nd Silk Specter realizes that the Comedian was her father all along, I think the scene will only be used for Dr Manhattan asking her to help him decide whether or not to save humanity.(Highlight to show text)

Actually, nvm what I said in the spoiler text, DC's Watchmen wallpaper section has proven me wrong.
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I'm really excited about this. I mean, if the trailer is any kind of indication, then this should be one fucking awesome movie. Subtle plot devices can be used in a manner of moments. Like how you can see Rorschach unmasked and unacknowledged throughout the book. Though i really didn't like 300, i'm too excited about this one to house any doubt in my mind. I am going to blindly...believe this will be nothing but sheer...awesome. ( i was right to think that way about batman ha ha >_>;; )
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I saw a trailer for this before seeing Dark Knight (Which was amazing), and thought it looked pretty cool, especially at the end, when some guy with what looked like a cowboy-style hat that sloped down to a V in front, kneelingin the rain, saying something about noot helping the world when it cries for help. (i think, I could be wrong)
Two questions, though: Where can I get the Graphic Novel(s?), and in the trailer, this cool thing, a bunch of spinning gold wheels rising up through clouds, was shown for a few seconds. What the hell was it?
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I must admit, the Watchmen trailer was really damn cool. I'm still skeptical about this adaptation and despite the top notch look of the film so far, I'm even more worried the more visual gloss I see.

I'm just not hearing the right combinations of words from the right people that would assuage my fears. Stuff like: script was given priority; very tough to adapt and we had to work more on the script than usual; Moore read the script and was actually impressed (yeah okay, that last one is a really unrealistic sound bite, but what the heck).

The Watchmen graphic novel can be found anywhere. Any comic book shop should have a shelf full of them from now until release of the film. Most book stores are now carrying them; I know Chapters has a bunch of graphic novels, including Watchmen and stuff like The Dark Knight Returns.

The spinning wheels were not emerging from clouds, but from the surface of Mars. It's a construct created by Dr. Manhattan (the glowing blue guy in the trailer) :)

You have to read the graphic novel, though make sure you're in the right mindset when you do read it. It's not an action comic. It's definitely more dramatic, more thriller and more complex than most comics.
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I saw a trailer for this before seeing Dark Knight (Which was amazing), and thought it looked pretty cool, especially at the end, when some guy with what looked like a cowboy-style hat that sloped down to a V in front, kneelingin the rain, saying something about noot helping the world when it cries for help. (i think, I could be wrong)
Two questions, though: Where can I get the Graphic Novel(s?), and in the trailer, this cool thing, a bunch of spinning gold wheels rising up through clouds, was shown for a few seconds. What the hell was it?
First off, I think that first trailer you mentioned was for "V for Vendetta."

I just read the "Watchmen" graphic novel and I'll say that if you haven't read it, get to it. That along with "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" made me an Alan Moore follower. But hearing of how the first film adaptations of Moore's work have turned out, I'm starting to worry for "Watchmen." As Entertainment Weekly put it, that's probably as close to an 'unfilmable' movie as you can get.
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No, he saw the Watchmen trailer. The fella in the hat spoke the dialog DAG101 described, just like in the trailer. That's Rorschach in the hat and black on white mask.

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Being an avid film geek, I do believe that anything can be adapted to film. I've seen some of the most complex and detailed books successfully adapted to the screen, sometimes in spectacular fashion. But I've also seen many more butchered without remorse. The only question I continually ask is "how" a given book is being adapted. I don't really care so much if the visuals look astounding, I want to know if the story and the characters are being done as much justice as the look and style of the film.

I'm going to give Zack Snyder a chance because I loved his Dawn of the Dead remake and I had fun at 300. But Watchmen is a whole different kind of story and it's heavy on substance.
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That brings me to ask, is there an official name for Dr. Manhattan's Martian structure? I've yet to hunt down my own copy of the Graphic Novel, and from what I've seen of it it seems like that got quite a redesign for the movie adaptation.

And also, how many people spotted the doctor in the background in the trailer when the Comedian (the man with the cigar and shotgun for those not familiar) had his appearance about halfway through the trailer, first time seeing it? Shockingly it took five views of the trailer to notice the big blue guy standing there...
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I predict that 90% of Watchmen fanboys will hate the movie, 98.309787% already hate it and it's not even out!!! I doubt it will go bellow the 90 mark. :roll:

As for me, i'm going to watch it for what it should be... An interesting comic book adaptation with lots of intriguing heroes and not to forget a killer story to boot!! I wont treat it as the second coming of Christ like so many.... but I think it can perhaps surpass the other great superhero movies such as Dark Knight and Spiderman.
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*pfft* Please. The Dark Knight will always be the best superhero movie ever made. The Watchmen will never be able to compare...
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Terrace wrote:*pfft* Please. The Dark Knight will always be the best superhero movie ever made. The Watchmen will never be able to compare...
Do tell me how you were able to learn these psychic powers and predict the future!?!?! Could it be that you are from the year 2009 and has already seen the WATHCMEN MOVIE!!! MONTHS BEFORE IT'S RELEASE DATE IN OUR TIME!!??!?!? :shock:

Then I guess you are right, I can no longer wait patiently for this movie to come out before I say it's no good and should never have been made. :roll:
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I just read Watchmen, and I have to wonder what 23 year old rock I have been living under (Ok, so I wasn't born untill 88 ). IT IS AMAZING. 95% of my comic experience has involved star wars, and this is really going to broaden my horrizens. Thank you for this Watchmen.

BTW I gave it to my friend to read after I was done. He immediently began flipping through it, which caused me to wack him in the back of his head.

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Here's a report from the set of Watchmen:

Wire Reports From Watchmen Set

SCI FI Wire was among a group of online journalists who got a glimpse at the massive sets built for Zack Snyder's upcoming Watchmen movie during production last November in Vancouver, Canada, and even the most casual fan of Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons' source graphic novel would have come away impressed with what Snyder calls his fetishistic attention to detail.

"Everything's got, like, fetish relevance," Snyder said in an impromptu interview during a break in filming on the movie on a cold fall night. "In this movie, there's so much stuff to photograph, whether it be a button or Gunga Diner container."

Watchmen is based on the graphic novel, set in an alternate-universe 1985 New York in which superheroes exist and Nixon is still president. Snyder's film has taken the graphic novel almost as holy writ, transforming even the smallest detail into reality on an outdoor set built in a parking lot of the Canadian Motion Picture Park.

The backlot, as it's called, holds the New York set. It's one long avenue crossed by two side streets. The intersections are Amsterdam Steet and 117th Avenue and W. 39th Street and Charlton Avenue.

On 117th Avenue, the crew is filming a scene from the title sequence, a storefront for "JK Television" repair. It's 1977, during the riots protesting the costumed adventurers.

Down one street are storefronts for bars, tattoo parlors, porn theaters and peep shows, brightly lit with neon signs. Amid the porn establishments is the storefront for Pioneer Publishing Inc., the home of the New Frontiersman tabloid newspaper.

On the other streets, visitors see stores and building facades from Gibbons and Moore's elaborate alternate-universe New York. "This entire set is an easter egg," Ain't It Cool's Drew McWeeny says.

The walls are plastered with posters familiar to readers of Watchmen: advertisements for the Pale Horse concert; the cover of the new Nova Express with a photo of an aged Richard Nixon and the headline "How Sick Is Dick?"; an ad for the Pink Triangle Live show benefiting Gay Women Against Rape; colorful posters for Mmeltdown candy and sleek '80s-style ads for Veidt Sport, along with fading campaign ads for Nixon ("Four More Years").

Then there are the storefronts and businesses from the graphic novel: There's the Utopia theater, with The Day the Earth Stood Still on the marquee (Fox's remake of Day was being shot nearby in Vancouver); the Treasure Island comic-book store; the Gunga Diner, the Indian-flavored eatery.

Snyder acknowledges that the level of detail will be lost on the casual viewer of the film in a movie theater, and he agrees with Moore's often-quoted statement that the book could never be adapted for film because the novel was meant to be lingered over, panel by panel, with the reader able to page back and forth. That is, Snyder agrees up to a point.

"Yeah, absolutely right," Snyder (300) said. "But I think it's interesting, because I think that now movies have become [different], and the way we watch movies [has changed]. ... When you see it in the theater, it's like the first time you read it. But the way that movies are sold and sort of consumed now, [with] DVD [and Blu-ray], ... we were just shooting that little shot from the title sequence down there in the alley, and there's a lot of s--t in there that, ... if you really take a second and look at it, ... we took a lot of stuff from Under the Hood and all the ... essays [in the graphic novel], if you will, ... and we tried to take them ... and stick them in the movie. Because I love them so much. And a lot of it exists like that: like stuff that [you can find] if you actually [go back]." Watchmen is now in post-production, with a March 6, 2009, release date. Snyder will preview Watchmen at Comic-Con International in San Diego this month.




And Zack Snyder on making cuts to the film:

Snyder Cutting Watchmen

Zack Snyder, director of the upcoming Watchmen, told SCI FI Wire that he is currently in the process of editing down the first director's cut of the film, which currently runs about three hours long.

"It's impossible," Snyder said in an interview at the Saturn Awards in Universal City, Calif., on June 24, where he was honored as best director for his film 300.

Snyder added: "The balancing act for me is, you want the movie as tight as possible for, I don't know why, I guess so people can enjoy it. But for me, the hardest part is just, when is it not Watchmen anymore? I don't think that's a danger, but it's a thing that I am trying to be the gatekeeper of while other forces conspire to say, 'No. Length, length, length. Playability.' Whatever the hell that means."

Based on the seminal graphic novel by Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons, Watchmen is a faithful film adaptation that reproduces many of the original panels in exacting detail. Snyder said that he has been going back and forth with the studio, Warner Brothers, about which scenes should be cut and which ones should remain.

"I've lost perspective on that now, because to me, the honest truth is I geek out on little stuff now as much as anybody," Snyder said. "Like, people will go, 'We've got to cut. You don't need that shot of Hollis Mason's garage sign.' And I'm like, 'What are you talking about? Of course you do. Are you crazy? How will people enjoy the movie without s--t like that in it?' So it's hard for me. I think it's probably good, because I think we're going to end up with that stuff in the movie."

Snyder also said that he's looking forward to showing the film to true comic-book fans at Comic-Con International in San Diego this July.

"Everyone who [made] the movie, loves the movie," he said. "I've never been around so many people that just took the book [so seriously]. It's like a yearbook. Like, on the set, at the end of the shoot, we all would sign each other's Watchmen copies. And we had Dave Gibbons in there, too, and he would draw on our books, and it was just sick cool. And so then you come back from that experience, and you go to the studio, and the studio's cool, don't get me wrong, but they don't love it like we do. Right? It's like just a movie, like, 'Oh, we have this movie, Watchmen, and it's f--king long.' Like, 'What are these superheroes? They look crazy.' So you have that experience. So for me, right now, I'm in the middle of that. So for me to go to Comic-Con is to get a chance to go back to people that love it."

Watchmen is scheduled for release on March 6, 2009.
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So, do you guys think that the release date will be pushed back due to FOX's lawsuit?
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Battosai28 wrote:I just read Watchmen, and I have to wonder what 23 year old rock I have been living under (Ok, so I wasn't born untill 88 ). IT IS AMAZING. 95% of my comic experience has involved star wars, and this is really going to broaden my horrizens. Thank you for this Watchmen.

BTW I gave it to my friend to read after I was done. He immediently began flipping through it, which caused me to wack him in the back of his head.

Not the type of book you want to find spoilers about
Welcome to the fandom. Always happy too see plenty of appreciation for the Watchmen Graphic Novel. It's a truly great book.

And I agree, it's not an instant gratification work. You have to read it without spoilers and absorb it over time to really make it work for you.
G.Squirrel wrote:So, do you guys think that the release date will be pushed back due to FOX's lawsuit?
Not pleased, though I am a little concerned that this is just a bit too convenient. I know film delays have been used to strategic advantage before, but if it's a marketing ploy they are sure making a good game of it. Ah, maybe I'm just being too paranoid. :)

At any rate, I hope WB cleans up in the court house. I'm personally of the opinion that, rights or no rights, if you're a film studio that allows a property dwell in development hell for years and years, then you don't deserve to cry foul if someone else picks up the rights. My guess is Fox has long since let the movie rights expire, but still have some BS rights like fast food tie ins and certain merchandising rights that have yet to expire. They'll likely just bully WB for a share of the profits.
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Nitpick from Fox.

Fox has lost or give up the right to making a film base on Watchman. But they retain the DISTRIBUTION rights. Don't know what that means in english. But I think it means something like, I have the right for a share of the profit, even I did not make the film.
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Gadget wrote:Nitpick from Fox.

Fox has lost or give up the right to making a film base on Watchman. But they retain the DISTRIBUTION rights. Don't know what that means in english. But I think it means something like, I have the right for a share of the profit, even I did not make the film.
I'm no expert on this sort of thing, but in a nutshell yes. A good example in the anime world is Full Metal Panic. The way I understand it, the first series and Fumuffu were licenced, dubbed, and distributed in America by ADV. The Second Raid, however, was distributed by Funimation and not ADV. In reality, it was an ADV production (The dub, for example, used the same voice actors as the other two productions). However, Funimation dealt with packaging and was in charge of getting it into stores. Funimation of course payed the bill for doing this and thus got a chunk of the profits.
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An update from the course case:

A judge has denied a Warner Brothers motion to dismiss 20th Century Fox's lawsuit over Warner's right to make a film based on the graphic novel Watchmen, Variety reported; the ruling is potentially a huge victory for Fox, which could wind up as a profit participant in the film.
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