Battlestar Galactica

The Big Zabowski · Tue Feb 27, 2007 3:37 pm

Civil war.. Ooo boy that'd be one wringer of a plot to pull off. Right now as it is I think that they made a mistake of actually cutting from the Eye of Jupiter/Finding Earth plot too early.

Either they should have stuck with this plot for this season, or let it start in the next. It just plays out in a very confusing manner as suddenly Adama starts acting like the head of the KGB one second, and Mr Hero the next.

Maybe this was intentional, as it sort of makes sense the more I think of it. But really, I was kinda peeved and saw it as shoddy plot writing at first. Oh, and I think the rosy endings of Galactica TOS and other Larson productions are starting to show through.

And where'n the hell did they pull Seelix's promotion to FT out of? They said she was prevented because of her position as Avionics specialist. Apparently gimbals can fix themselves..

Actually, I think this episode was more random than anything.. Baltar as an Aeralonian or something like that.. <_<

Antares · Tue Feb 27, 2007 6:12 pm

TBZ: COnsistency-wise I would tend to agree, but at least this was more interesting than the OMG-trapped-in-an-airlock one and had a more interesting take on the life of the fleet. But I will definitely agree with you about the rosy ends. Sure they feel warm and fuzzy so the ep can close in peace, but seemed to wrap it up all too nicely for my taste (as with Helo and Dr. Mengele two eps or so back). I can only hope we'll return to the tensions shown here; I sure as heck would remember if the captain of my ship threatened to kill my wife for any given reason, and remember it well for a long time.

Wingnut · Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:06 am

They actually fracking did it. They killed off Starbuck.

So now what exactly?

SSR777 · Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:05 am

ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

I never really expected it, but fracken wow...Can't wait till next episode.

Jack · Mon Mar 05, 2007 5:43 am

The Big Zabowski wrote:Actually, I think this episode was more random than anything.. Baltar as an Aeralonian or something like that.. <_<

I love how their planet's accent is just a Yorkshire one.

Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:12 am

Wingnut wrote:They actually fracking did it. They killed off Starbuck.
So now what exactly?

Ron Moore has said that this episode will change the direction of the show permanently. There's been a lot of speculation that Starbuck is one of the "final five" Cylon models and will return later. Of course, that weird painting and her connection to Leoben could also mean something else entirely that we're not aware of.

Saikuba · Mon Mar 05, 2007 9:55 am

Chris wrote:
Wingnut wrote:They actually fracking did it. They killed off Starbuck.
So now what exactly?
Ron Moore has said that this episode will change the direction of the show permanently. There's been a lot of speculation that Starbuck is one of the "final five" Cylon models and will return later. Of course, that weird painting and her connection to Leoben could also mean something else entirely that we're not aware of.

I've been thinking a lot of what they are going to do with this episode (obviously it isn't going to be "Starbuck's destiny was to explode"). While Starbuck could be a cylon, it would seem to destroy a lot of the character development we see in that episode, especially dealing wither her mother since those memories would all have to be fake if she was a cylon. While that's not entirely problematic it would seem strange for Leoben to show her all that if he knew that it was false (well maybe not, he does mix truth with fiction, but still).

It might be that she was a human and survived. After all we seem to get confirmation that the raider was real from Apollo at the end and before the explosion we see Starbuck's hand hovering over the eject. But on the other hand the pressure was so bad that it was already messing up her viper, so that would feel like a cop out as even being out for a short time Starbuck should still probably have suffered major injuries or died.

One thing I am sure of that I haven't heard people really talk about: we are going to see that oracle again.

solid snake · Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:27 pm

Well even if Starbuck is actually dead, I have a feeling we'll be seeing her again.

RedShirt0909 · Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:08 pm

solid snake wrote:Well even if Starbuck is actually dead, I have a feeling we'll be seeing her again.

No bet. As was stated earlier, she had too much development in this episode to just throw her away at this point. Maybe she's one of the final five. It would throw a huge twist into the series, but it does make some sense to me. The big question is now who finds Earth? I believe I saw somewhere the directors saying "someone dies, someone is revealed as a Cylon, and someone finds Earth." Can't remember where I saw that, but, assuming its true, wouldn't it be ironic if Athena found Earth?

Ravager · Mon Mar 05, 2007 10:18 pm

Well,next episode is titled "The Son Also Rises",so it should've something to do with Lee

RedShirt0909 · Tue Mar 06, 2007 11:14 am

Ravager wrote:Well,next episode is titled "The Son Also Rises",so it should've something to do with Lee

Preview looked like he was going to be a lwayer in Baltar's trial...missed for whom he was working. Should be interesting to see Apollo in a role other than CAG/CO for the first time since Rosilyn's rebellion way back in early season 2.

The Big Zabowski · Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:40 am

Egads! Lee is at it again!? First he does the Roslin thingie..and now there's the Baltar thingie? Who'd a thunk it that that Romo guy would draw Lee into his side so quickly..

Must be the grief from Kara's death (Which has been confirmed in the recap synopsis on Scifi.com)

Things are getting interesting indeed...

solid snake · Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:38 pm

Amazing how they were all saved from being blown up by a cat.

RedShirt0909 · Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:59 pm

last night's wasn't bad, IMO, but I want to know what happened to Kelly? Was he court-martialed, dishonorably discharged, what? He's been around since the miniseries as background, but I always wondered how he missed getting XO on Pegasus after the settlement on New Caprica, seeing as how he'd been 4th highest in rank (Adama, Apollo, Starbuck, him).

The Big Zabowski · Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:25 pm

RedShirt0909 wrote:last night's wasn't bad, IMO, but I want to know what happened to Kelly? Was he court-martialed, dishonorably discharged, what? He's been around since the miniseries as background, but I always wondered how he missed getting XO on Pegasus after the settlement on New Caprica, seeing as how he'd been 4th highest in rank (Adama, Apollo, Starbuck, him).

*character name doesn't ring a bell..but* He probably got skipped over for XO on Peggy because he probably jumped the bucket down to NC with most of the other non-essential crew..though why that happened is beyond me, but it's what most likely happened.

But seeing that Starbuck has kicked the proverbial bucket, and not the real one, this Kelly would most likely be next in line to fly lead viper group on the Galactica. Odd though..but I can see how it slipped by because of the central plot being involved with Baltar's Trial.

Still, it's starting to be a "part of the character" thing for Lee to lock horns with his father in cases like these, no pun intended. Though, at least they are keeping him semi consistent from the miniseries up until now..

Saikuba · Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:49 pm

RedShirt0909 wrote:last night's wasn't bad, IMO, but I want to know what happened to Kelly? Was he court-martialed, dishonorably discharged, what? He's been around since the miniseries as background, but I always wondered how he missed getting XO on Pegasus after the settlement on New Caprica, seeing as how he'd been 4th highest in rank (Adama, Apollo, Starbuck, him).

Well the real answer is probably that they couldn't get that actor enough for him to be a presence in all of those episodes. After all, Kelly is in far less episodes than he could be, as he is (or I suppose was) responsible for all the launches in Galactica (so you'd think you'd see him in every episode involving scrambling vipers, but you don't.)

Shinji103 · Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:15 am

Great. Right when I think the old man would be restoring himself in my eyes...he's very much literally and exactly got a bias in Baltar's trial and is fully letting himself be controlled by that bias. And he's going the way of Tigh and drinking himself into a bottle. And just for good measure, he's gone and written off his own son as scum for taking Baltar's side, and not even trying to think of why Lee might really be going for Baltar. "You side with Baltar, you're scum. No, I don't understand nor care about the truth behind you or Baltar. You're scum. Period."

And of course, Laura is still as low as ever since New Caprica.

"Hey, prosecution lawyer. Charge Baltar for genocide in the original attacks on the 12 Colonies based on flimsy and unbased evidence."

"What? I can't do that, there's no way I'd get a conviction based on that."

"Did you not hear me? Charge him or get the boot."

On the flip side of the coin, I thought this would turn into a complete one-sided public courtroom lynching of Baltar. Instead, we see people coming to him to have their children blessed? Was I hearing that part right??

And what the heck is with that music? It seems to be driving everybody nuts...

Looks like next week they seem to rule against Baltar 2 to 3, causing a huge courtroom uproar.

On a side note, I was wondering where the heck I had seen Baltar's defense attorney before, and I just remembered. He played Badger on Firefly, lol.

razgriz · Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:28 am

which ship design do you guys prefer, the galactica with its sleek ribbed mon calamari cruiser vibe or the pegasus type with its going back to the original series blocky but bad*** design?

RedShirt0909 · Wed Mar 21, 2007 7:21 am

razgriz wrote:which ship design do you guys prefer, the galactica with its sleek ribbed mon calamari cruiser vibe or the pegasus type with its going back to the original series blocky but bad*** design?

I prefer the Mercury class over the Galactica class design, personally. On the episode, Baltar does deserve a fair and impartial trial, but a certain level of bias is to be expected, seeing as how he was almost universally hated on New Caprica. Some have let go of their hate, but that seems awfully forced to me. Also, why isn't the prosecution calling Gaeta in to back up their arguments? He was there for most everything Baltar did.

Shinji103 · Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:24 am

RedShirt0909 wrote:On the episode, Baltar does deserve a fair and impartial trial, but a certain level of bias is to be expected, seeing as how he was almost universally hated on New Caprica. Some have let go of their hate, but that seems awfully forced to me. Also, why isn't the prosecution calling Gaeta in to back up their arguments? He was there for most everything Baltar did.

Meh, doesn't mean they should be forgiven for bias. My gripe isn't so much that they have bias though, but that that bias stems from the fact that they don't even try to understand Baltar at all. Laura saw him with Number Six back on Old Caprica, and it's an automatic "He's a traitor!!!" without even so much as considering that he himself may have been deceived, which he indeed was. And then they're also ignoring the fact that if Baltar had fought back, then the population of New Caprica would have been wiped out, which Baltar's defense attorney verly clearly and accurately pointed out in the opening statements.

As for Gaeta, I expect him to be brought up next episode. But then, it'll be just as good, if not better, for the defense because Baltar knew Gaeta was an informant and allowed him to run off to the insurgency on New Caprica.