ShadowCell wrote: ↑
Thu May 18, 2017 12:58 am
uh, i think you'd better go rewatch the third act of Return of the Jedi
there. Luke's not following all the bullet points of Jedi dogma as it's portrayed in the prequels when he defeats the Sith, but he's unquestionably following the Jedi way, and it is by the Jedi way--letting go of his attachments, controlling his passions, doggedly seeking the good in someone everyone else wrote off as irredeemably evil--that he prevails.
Luke certainly employs some elements of Jedi training/philosophy that I downplayed for comedic effect, sure. However, you've acknowledged my main point about Jedi dogma, and it isn't only
stuff that's portrayed in the prequels that Luke goes against.
In ESB, Yoda and Obi Wan tell Luke in no uncertain terms that he will become an agent of evil if he stops his training to go to Bespin. They also tell him that he will be "dominated" by the Dark Side if he "starts down the dark path", that a Jedi uses the Force "never to attack", that he must be willing to abandon/sacrifice his friends to defeat the Empire, and that "anger, fear, aggression" are the slippery slope toward the Dark Side. Then in RotJ, they tell him that he needs no further training (despite needing to complete training in ESB and having no contact with Yoda/Obi Wan in the interim, as revealed through RotJ dialogue), that he isn't ready for the burden of knowledge about his father (Yoda tries to dismiss direct questions on the matter), repeat the anger-fear-aggression slippery slope, and explicitly say that Luke must kill (not fight, not defeat, kill
) his father (not a coy "Vader is a different person 'from a certain point of view'", but Luke's father) or the Emperor wins.
Luke acts against all of this or otherwise proves it wrong.
- He goes to Bespin but doesn't become an agent of evil.
- He taps into the Dark Side on at least one occasion; Palpatine won't shut up about it, he Force Chokes some guards, he says several emotionally manipulative things to Vader on the moon's surface with uncharacteristically cold calculation, and most concretely, the script explicitly states that he was using the Dark Side when he kicked Vader down the stairs. Additionally, the script seems to go out of its way to attribute all three of Yoda's slippery slope words to Luke's actions onboard the Death Star II. Despite this, Luke is never dominated by the Dark Side, and while you could argue that his destiny
became dominated by it... name one Jedi whose destiny isn't similarly preoccupied with the Dark Side's influence.
- He goes to meet Vader on the moon's surface specifically to avoid Vader coming to him and hurting his friends, knowingly stepping into the viper's nest in the process.
- Yoda says that Luke wasn't ready for the truth, yet implies (and Obi Wan outright states) that the events on Bespin completed Luke's training.
- The Emperor is eliminated because
Luke refuses to kill his father and there's no way killing Vader would've turned out better.
By this point, Luke has ignored or proven wrong nearly half of the stuff that Obi Wan and Yoda say about what it means to be a Jedi during ESB and RotJ. Rather than believing in absolutes and rejecting his feelings, passions and relationships the way he was told to, he prevailed by utilizing them (and even the Dark Side) in reasonable moderation. Just as Palpatine was wrong to tell Luke to let those things control him, Yoda and Obi Wan were wrong to tell him to reject them absolutely.
Also, I think it's worth noting that Yoda and Obi Wan would've had an easier time keeping Luke's hot-bloodedness in check in ESB if they appealed to his emotions rather than thrusting their dogma upon him; they both seemed pretty confident that Han, Leia and co. would pull through just fine without Luke's intervention (Obi Wan saying their deaths weren't foreseen, Yoda referring to "another" as their final hope even though she's the subject of concern), but they just agitated Luke by dispassionately telling him to accept their deaths and Jedi dogma.