The "Gundam" appearing in other Gundam Universes

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The "Gundam" appearing in other Gundam Universes

Post by AU_Gundam MK II » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:08 pm

If you don't get my question, I'm actually trying to identify any cameos or actual Gundams that highly reference the original Gundam. So far, I've only identfied the following.

Post OYW UC- Lots of obvious ones. ZZ and Mark-2 in particular.
After Colony- Gundam Geminass
Future Century- Cameo of the Gundam in the last 2 episodes.
Correct Century- The cameos from the Black History.
Cosmic Era- Strike. It's that obvious.
Anno Domini- O Gundam. That obvious as well. Even more obvious than Strike. :lol:

Help please?
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Post by ShadowCell » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:31 pm

I don't see what the point of this thread is when every protagonist Gundam thus far has been designed to be evocative of the original RX-78.

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Post by Zerosystem » Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:39 pm

Pardon me for what I'm about to say..

ZZ? I don't see much here, besides the core fighter system, and possibly that it was a all-around excellent machine for it's time.

As for CE, I always found the basic Duel to be more or less of a direct homage than anything. Similarly armed, and both classified as close combat MSs. Strike, probably for the familiar colours and the fact that it was the protagonist's MS, but not too much in terms of mechanics and ability.

In 0083, the GP01 is definitely a nod toward the original. same idea with the Alex from 0080, they're essentially even higher performance models than the RX-78-2.
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Post by VentZX » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:08 pm

In the SEED universe, I think the Impulse is more evocative of the RX-78-2 than the Strike. It had the classic colors, core fighter system, and the golden cross on the shield is the biggest give away. Though, the modular design that the Impulse has, despite being brought over from the Strike, makes me think of the V2 more than anything else.

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Post by Deus EpS Machina » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:35 pm

Albeit useless...i think OP is looking for symbolic similarities and not technical ones.
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Post by Recon 5 » Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:28 am

What about the Perfect Gundam?

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Post by Nightwing03 » Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:52 am

Recon 5 wrote:What about the Perfect Gundam?
Correct me if i'm wrong but the Perfect Gundam doesn't appear in any series or manga (to my knowlege), i think that it's just a model variation.
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Post by Gelmax » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:22 pm

From the examples the OP gave, I'm guessing he's looking for mobile suits that fulfill the same general role as the original Gundam - fast, high-ability prototype with high adaptability and capacity for later modification, first of a new line of mobile suits or testing some new technology, yet with a high-power but otherwise kind of boring armament by the standards of the series it featured in. Between the Gundam Mark II, ZZ Gundam, Gundam Geminass, and Strike Gundam (all examples given by the OP), the only one to have something more interesting than a beam rifle, beam sabers, and generic hand-carried mobile suit weaponry was the ZZ Gundam, and all except Geminass (which got a permanent upgrade instead) could use upgrade parts or packs to change their capabilities.

That's the only way I can make sense of it, anyway, given that, as someone already said, in every Gundam series at least one protagonist mobile suit draws heavy inspiration from the RX-78, in both appearance and armament.

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Post by Strike Zero » Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:26 pm

I think that he wants to know if there are any other direct references to the original Gundam such as the O Gundam from 00 anywhere out there.

For now, the O Gundam is the only one I can think of that really fits the bill, other than the RX-78 showing up in G Gundam, as the OP said.

Every other Gundam in existence has a design that is closely based on the original Gundam, but original enough to be considered it's own design, like the F91 or the Shining Gundam.
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Post by Gelmax » Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:21 pm

Strike Zero wrote:Every other Gundam in existence has a design that is closely based on the original Gundam, but original enough to be considered it's own design, like the F91 or the Shining Gundam.
That's not entirely true. If you put pictures of the RX-78, the RX-178, the Zephyrantes, and the Strike Gundam side by side, the four look just about identical except for small details and the different styles of their respective series.

To say that everything with the name "Gundam" is closely based on the RX-78 isn't true, however - the only common attribute to all mechs bearing the Gundam name is the distinctive double-eye optics and general face style.

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Post by Strike Zero » Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:25 pm

Well, that's true enough. The point I was making was that none of those are what could be considered as true "cameos", as the OP put it.
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Post by AU_Gundam MK II » Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:20 am

Well, what I'm really asking for are Gundams who have some of the color characteristics of the original Gundam, as well as having the standard Beam Rifle, 2x Beam Sabers, and Shield weaponry setup. Without the extra stuff, Normal Geminass fits and even with the Aile and Force packs, Strike and Impulse fit. I chose ZZ more on its facial and color similarities rather than anything else.
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Post by Gelmax » Sat Jan 05, 2008 2:32 am

Well, EVERY Gundam series' main Gundam sports the original Gundam's color scheme, and it'd be faster to list the ones that DON'T share that basic weapon layout: Gundam Exia has a completely different weapon loadout (although it still has a beam rifle, a beam saber, and a shield), and both the Shining and God Gundams lack the beam rifle and shield. All other main-character Gundams qualify.

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Post by AU_Gundam MK II » Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:17 am

Well, consider:

Wing Zero/Wing Gundams had that layout, however, Wing had more blue compared to the original Gundam while Wing Zero sported more red and both sported more yellow. Also, despite the weapon layout coming in close, the Buster Rifles scream Beam Cannon instead of Beam Rifle. Didn't bother with the post counterattack ones due to the usage of Beam Shields and a high predominance of white. I kicked out Zeta due to HEAVY structural differences and the very distinctive face. Nu Gundam comes close, but is more along the lines of what would happen to the Gundam had it had better overall performance and funnels. I didn't bother with X due o structural differences, shield size and the Satellite Cannon.
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Post by Gelmax » Sat Jan 05, 2008 4:08 am

ZZ Gundam is a lot more similar to the Zeta Gundam than to the RX-78, though. If you're disqualifying Zeta because of structural differences, then ZZ Gundam can't possibly stay on the list, if only because of its enormous blue back. As for Gundam X, on the other hand, the only major differences between the Gundam X and the RX-78 are the green thing in the chest (which I chalk up to style differences, since several other Gundam X mecha have similar chest orbs, as do a couple of Gundam Wing mecha) and the satellite cannon, which is gone on the Gundam X Divider.

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Post by X666S Legend » Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:01 am

Well there is a similarity between strike and the RX-78 and that is their eye not only that perhaps there are more like their features
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Post by AU_Gundam MK II » Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:20 am

More differences come with the Divider. For one, the Beam Rifle is switched for a "Beam Machinegun" and the suit gets a funky new shield that fires a heck lot of beams. X only had one Beam Saber last I recall and the shield motiff isn't quite present what with the Rifle being the shield also. If he had to of those, that would look nice, but Airmaster took the double rifle already.
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Post by teslashark » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:11 am

Duel is more similar to 78 than Strike.It's also the first gundam build by the Earth force in its world.
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Post by teslashark » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:12 am

Duel is more similar to 78 than Strike.It's also the first gundam build by the Earth force in its world.
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