Is the Nemo expensive to made?

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Is the Nemo expensive to made?

I've this friend who insisted that the reason the Federation chose to upgrade the GM II into GM III instead of mass-producing the Nemo after Gryps War was because the later was too expensive; and unlike the AEUG who was sponsored by Anaheim, the EFF would had to buy these machines from Anaheim. What do you think of this idea? I mean, I expect the Nemo to be expensive because it was based on the GM Sniper II, but how expensive could it be? And considering that the Jegan came out just a few years later with all of the Nemo's features.
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Re: Is the Nemo expensive to made?

Hard to say really, though it's worth noting the Nemo uses Gundarium in its formation, so it probably is more expensive to produce. It's really hard to tell which factions have the most money in the UC. The EFF is the entire Earth Sphere Government so they should have plenty of money to go around; for instance they are able to restructure fleet in 0083 and stock it with new equipment, including three new Gundam's. After that they formulate the Titans , who have seemingly unlimited supplies and new weapons.
The AEUG seems to have less funding at first(Though partnering with Wong Lee and Luio Co probably helps), and it takes a while for them to get the new equipment in story. Further in ZZ they are devastated and rely on the surviving weaponry from the previous war, plus one new Gundam.
Later the EFF formulates Londo Bell (made up of AEUG survivors) and stocks with new, advanced ships (The Clop and Ra Callium Classes) as well as new mobile weaponry( The Re-Gz, Nu Gundam, and advanced Jeagan), though it's worth noting that this is a smaller taskforce within the military, plus later installments show them using older tech(ie Unicorn).
That being said these examples are specialized taskforces, the rank and file of the EFF seems to use older or even captured enemy equipment. And by the second UC century almost no one in the EFF really seems to have much access to better weaponry, as what new hardware that comes out is used for decades(ie the modified Salamis class which is used for over 60 years).
But to answer the original question cost was probably a factor in not acquiring the Nemo for federation use in the regular army. The expensive Gundarium was only really used in mass produced suits for the Titan's (ie the Marasai).
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Re: Is the Nemo expensive to made?

Maybe?

Judging from the stats in mahq, Nemo and GM 3 have nearly the same performance. So obviously Federation would choose to just upgrade their GM 2to GM 3; its cheaper, faster, easier to maintain and train.

Not to mention they were already working on the new suits like Jeddah and the billionth Zeta-derivative at the time, so they could always (and they did) upgrade to something even better if they want to.
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Re: Is the Nemo expensive to made?

False Prophet wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:56 am I've this friend who insisted that the reason the Federation chose to upgrade the GM II into GM III instead of mass-producing the Nemo after Gryps War was because the later was too expensive; and unlike the AEUG who was sponsored by Anaheim, the EFF would had to buy these machines from Anaheim. What do you think of this idea? I mean, I expect the Nemo to be expensive because it was based on the GM Sniper II, but how expensive could it be? And considering that the Jegan came out just a few years later with all of the Nemo's features.
Never heard of that, your friend might have mistaken Nero with Nemo?
Nero is the high end unit that basically is lambda Gundam's upper body and S Gundam's lower body mass produced.
John-Luck Pickerd wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:52 pm Maybe?

Judging from the stats in mahq, Nemo and GM 3 have nearly the same performance. So obviously Federation would choose to just upgrade their GM 2to GM 3; its cheaper, faster, easier to maintain and train.

Not to mention they were already working on the new suits like Jeddah and the billionth Zeta-derivative at the time, so they could always (and they did) upgrade to something even better if they want to.
The Nemo was based on GM II, while GM III incorporated Gundam Mk-II technologies.
Basically Nemo is using existing technologies to make a slightly upgraded MS that share parts with GM II and Rick Dias, making it easy to mass produce and adaptable to their weapons. The GM Sniper II manufacturer was involved, so you can see that they are using good designs of the older generations and adding moveable frame, etc. However, the Gundarium alloy used is just Gundarium alpha (Or simply put, Lunar Titanium), instead of the newer gamma variation, for minimising price.
GM III is more of an overhaul of the GM II that had changing it to a new generation. The development history is kinda interesting because it was developed by Karaba instead of AE. AEUG mainstream also switched to GM III, which later led to EFF adapting the GM III over the Nemo. GM III has one non-spec advantage, it is adapted to better weapons that were developed later. From the description and the fact that it is using a less powerful generator, it might also be that the GM III is more power efficient than the Nemo. It's Titanium alloy and Gundarium composite armour was never specified to be the cheaper alpha variant, so the armour is likely also better.

The GM III was already in use during the operation of retaking Dakar by the combined forces of AEUG and Karaba, and also served at Dublin for rescue missions. I'd imagine the GM III might have a better reputation in the eyes of regular Earthnoid and thus also played a role in being chosen.
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Re: Is the Nemo expensive to made?

So which was better the Nemo or the Rick Dias? Both used Gundanium and could wield multiple weapons, But the Rick Dias was surprisingly heavy duty for a mass produced MS. Also it does seem like the Federation adopted the Nemo in limited quantities after the war as seen in Unicorn(though those might be surviving unit's) why did nobody try to do that with the Rick Dias?
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Re: Is the Nemo expensive to made?

Rick Dias is the better unit overall than the Nemo.

As for the Nemo, it had a long mass production line, and given that the AEUG was mostly absorbed into the Federation, a lot of the remaining Nemos were used by the Federation land forces given its cheap production line and that its a better unit than the GM II overall, although not by much in terms of performance. GM III is a better unit overall and a much needed upgrade over both in every way outside of armor.

Rick Dias, it is a heavy unit, compared to a more general purpose machine which fits the criteria for mass production better for both Federation and AEUG. It had a decent production in the AEUG, but was phased out after the Gryps war despite some variants including the Sturm Dias which was given to Neo Zeon from Anaheim to curry favor with Haman in ZZ. Not to mention the Rick Dias is more expensive too.
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