the use of OYW era in the EF side....

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the use of OYW era in the EF side....

Post by singingMAN » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:33 am

this is my first time posting here so please bear with me :D

i have actually tons of questions that i want to ask in the UC universe that i jot down many questions as i can think off in my magic notebook. anyway i have manage to chose one because some are just irrelevant and so here it goes....

are the EF still using hi performance, OYW era MSs during unicorn era? ( forgot the year though). IIRC, as i played fred rebber story in the missing link game,while hes using efreet schneid, i clearly saw a gm striker along with some newer MSs like gm III and some jegans. if so, are these specialized MS can be still effective in that era like gm striker or a rx 79g for dealing newer cqb type suits like dreissen? (correct me if im wrong). and also are these only fielded DEFENSIVELY in a high strategic bases?

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Post by AGF-Antoine » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:17 pm

The GM Striker's were stand-in for the GM II Semi Striker mostly.

The Aqua GM was One Year War era though, but not really high spec or anything.
I thought Guntank II was from slightly after the One Year War though, but it did use that era of tech.
But for those exceptions I thought they were just still the most advanced mainline machines for their area of expertise.
Plus Torrington really was a backwater base, nothing else.


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Re: the use of OYW era in the EF side....

Post by singingMAN » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:48 pm

speaking of aqua gm, i was really wondering why they didnt focus upgrading it after the oyw....

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Post by Massignifico » Sun Jun 26, 2016 8:49 pm

Probably because they focused on the Zaku side of acquatic mobile suits (Marine Hizack > Zaku Mariner > Zaku Diver)

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Post by Brave Fencer Kirby » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:03 pm

Yeah, we see a bunch of old-school mecha (OYW-era, or not long after) in Unicorn, especially during the Torrington battle. The explanation there is that they're basically obsolete units that haven't been decommissioned yet, so they're being used to garrison a backwater base with little strategic value and thus freeing up more modern mecha for front-line duty.

In reality, they're mostly there just for mecha fanservice so that people can see some rare suits getting some screentime and benefiting from Unicorn's fantastic production quality. The same fight also features a whole bunch of Zeonic OYW-era suits for the same reason (though in-universe, they're supposed to be a collection of basically every Zeon remnant still on Earth since the One Year War).
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Post by singingMAN » Sun Jun 26, 2016 9:09 pm

so in other words, obsolete EF suits that didnt received upgrades,unlike the zeon remnant counterparts, was just being dumped until it was destroyed or decommissioned?

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Post by JEFFPIATT » Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:09 am

singingMAN wrote:so in other words, obsolete EF suits that didnt received upgrades,unlike the zeon remnant counterparts, was just being dumped until it was destroyed or decommissioned?
they received minor refits to keep them current mainly fitting hi-zack/GM II style panoramic cockpits. Some of the Specialist GM units were salvaged for there specialized parts and fitted to GM II and GM III frames like the GM II semi striker and the GM III night striker. Units like the Aqua GM are still in use because the EFF focused on improving the hi-zack using zaku verients as base models or the tech tree dead ended like with the guntank, the RMS line was politically purged leading to the EF Navy having to dust off there aqua GM units and refit them. Some of the old oyo units are re absorbed from the AEUG movement and were rotated in to replace the RMS units and supplement the GM II as the land forces primary ms with the GM III acting as the support unit. The EFSF is standerized on the GM III but some older units are still in use due to no replacement for that role being made for the new platform.

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Post by singingMAN » Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:55 am

ahhh i get it now..... thats why the gm semi striker that i watched moves more "fluid" unlike the gm IIs despite it only got a few second screentime in the ova... so basically, the maintenance dept or whoever they were, aside for the shoulder armor parts and a beam javelin from gm striker, they also salvaged the OS on it with a little upgrade..... am i right?

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Post by JEFFPIATT » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:03 am

singingMAN wrote:ahhh i get it now..... thats why the gm semi striker that i watched moves more "fluid" unlike the gm IIs despite it only got a few second screentime in the ova... so basically, the maintenance dept or whoever they were, aside for the shoulder armor parts and a beam javelin from gm striker, they also salvaged the OS on it with a little upgrade..... am i right?
it's like the RX-79[G]EZ-8 the Semi-striker is a field upgrade made to an stock GM II basically fitting the Striker parts to the unit that would still fit as between the oyo era RGM-79 and the RGM-79R external body details had changed along with the os and internal parts. it's not out of line for bases to have stripped there GM units before sending them out to be refitted to GM II spec and to reinstall the specialized parts on GM II and GM III units omitting any that can't fit the new body changes.

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Post by MythSearcher » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:18 am

BTW, you can also take into account that some of the GMs (RGM-79) were upgraded into GM IIs (RGM-79R) and some of the GM IIs(RGM-179) were upgraded to GM IIIs(RGM-86R). So technically the GMs should be able to use a lot of the GM III parts if you change the relevant parts around together with it so it fits. I wouldn't be surprised if they have standardized adaptor parts for the sole purpose of doing such a task.

Granted, the spec will never catch up with the newly built GM IIIs(The Nouvel GM IIIs), yet it is also likely that they will be more powerful than the regular GM you see in OYW.

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Post by singingMAN » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:57 am

wooow..... i dont know where did you got those info but honestly, it makes sense in my part.... also, im curious about some amphibious EF MSs.... now aside the aqua gm ( that i find it useless), didnt the EF also use some fisheye units during that era? (0090s) or they were also already phased out? if so, then the only servicable amphibious MS are the aqua gm and perphaps, the waterproof gundam?

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Post by MythSearcher » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:48 pm

singingMAN wrote:wooow..... i dont know where did you got those info but honestly, it makes sense in my part.... also, im curious about some amphibious EF MSs.... now aside the aqua gm ( that i find it useless), didnt the EF also use some fisheye units during that era? (0090s) or they were also already phased out? if so, then the only servicable amphibious MS are the aqua gm and perphaps, the waterproof gundam?
Well, from here and there, but most of it were summarized in Gundam Encyclopaedia Ver. 1.5.

A longer tech tree goes like this:
RGM-79 -standardization->79C -implemented NT-1 Alex tech-> 79N -cost down+improved manufacturability-> 79Q -high mobility model for upgrade testing->79CR(also with sniper variant 79SR) -implementation to most existing models, modified 79C instead of 79Q-> 79R(I'd like to refer to the upgraded ones 79R and the newly built ones RMS-179, but this is not canon nor official, the official explanation of the 2 different numbering is that RGM-79R is the EFF number and the RMS-179 refer to units built in Gryps by Titans) -implemented Gundam Mk-II tech-> 86R(completely new units have the same number but the name is Nouvel GM III)

The 86R part mainly comes from Sentinel materials, mentioning GM II is only a minor change from the GM, but the GM III is a major upgrade, which used about 30% parts with the same design as Gundam Mk-II.(well, included back pack, so the body parts actually is not that much) Nouvel GM IIIs are actually much better than upgraded GM IIIs, with higher output and such.

The Fisheye, not much is known, Ver. 1.5 only talks about the use in OYW as a good ambush unit and its short operation range and the need of a mother ship. Didn't even talk about the production is limited or not. I will try to see if I can find the Igloo book but I don't recall much more.

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