The Official Gundam Unicorn Mecha Thread Mk I

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Re: The Official Gundam Unicorn Mecha Thread Mk I

I finally saw episode 3. During Delta Plus' atmospheric entry scene, I noticed that the rifle is fixed onto the back in the same manner as the Zeta. I guess this gimmick may be available in a future MG release.

I also noticed that bazooka shots have speedened up significantly compared to their 0087 and 0079 counterparts.

The animators must have spent extra effort in the key frames that featured the Proto Stark Jegan and the Dreissen. Afterall, these two were the most anticipated cameos of designs that didn't get enough publicity over the decades. Even the two side story chapters in UC Ace Vol.2 featured them.

In regards to the NZ-666 being completed or designed at around 0093, I am guessing that it might have been reserved for Char's Rebellion in case the war protracted, much like the pre-planned Geara Doga successor, which might have been different from the Geara Zulu we have now. NZ-444 Beta Aiziel became up under some form of CCA MSV. I guess this plan might have been scrapped in favour of NZ-333, while NZ-666 might have been designed concurrently with a potential candidate NZ-555 as the successor within Neo Zeon's line of decisive weapons.
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Re: The Official Gundam Unicorn Mecha Thread Mk I

ChroniK wrote:Heres the missile launching
A cutout of that missile would be good for the page.
Done.

That's all some seriously interesting lineart, and I concur that it'd be great to have a trans. (Of course, I'm a Jegan fanboy so I'm a little biased)
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As another Jegan aficionado, I'd second that!

It's interesting that the developments from the stock -89 and -89D types seem quite focused on adding additional armour - the Stark makes sense, since its heavy arsenal reduces mobility and makes extra protection relevant, but adding it to the -89De ECOAS type as well is an interesting choice. You'd think a model intended for ECOAS missions would be more focused on the mobility aspect, and low observability, rather than protection, surely?

Interesting that the Proto-Stark seems to be a twin-seater model too; presumably the new line on this development is that attaching additional parts to an -89D to create an -89S is cheaper and more efficient, since it not only minimises modification, it also reduces staffing requirements...
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yazi88 wrote:What about the Proto Stark Jegan? Does it count as part of the team of Stark Jegans? I remember seeing it
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attacking Palau in tandum with the other two
but we don't see its fate. And wasn't there some info in the novel or magazine scan that said that its pilot was
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a surviving pilot from either Romeo or Juliet squad before the Nahel Argama was resupplied?
That would make sense, since one of the Jegans at Palau had the "Juliet 005" call sign, meaning the pilot would have been a leftover from the Nahel Argama's original MS teams.

And I think he is counting the Proto Stark as one of the three.
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I think Juliet 005 was in a standard D-type Jegan during Operation Billiard, since his laser signal was lost right after we see a RGM-89D get cut in half from behind by a beam weapon of some sort.

Edit: Fixed my typo.
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J-Lead wrote:I think Juliet 005 was in a standard D-type Jegan during Operation Billiard, since his laser signal was lost right after we see a RGM-79D get cut in half from behind by a beam weapon of some sort.
I'm guessing you mean -89D, unless some poor soul was in a GM Cold Climate type during Operation Billiard... ;)

But yes, it does look like Juliet 005 was a stock Jegan, rather than a Stark, going by the timings; you'd expect a Stark going down to be an on-screen event, to be fair, particularly the Proto-Stark.
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The novel version had Juliet 005 assigned to the Proto Stark, but the anime might have changed it.
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I just went back and re-checked: two -89D Jegans (one with a rifle, one with a bazooka) are destroyed by an off-screen assailant at 09:19 and 09:23, just after Full Frontal and Angelo bag a Loto each. Moments later (09:27 in fact) Juliet-5's laser signal is reported terminated.

So presumably, unless a third Londo Bell MS is destroyed off-screen around the same time (and assuming those events occur sequentially, as they appear to), Juliet-5 is one of those two Jegan models.
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The answer to yazi88's question is yes:
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I counted the Prototype Stark Jegan as regular Stark Jegan. They even share the same model number.
Dendrobium Stamen wrote:I just went back and re-checked: two -89D Jegans (one with a rifle, one with a bazooka) are destroyed by an off-screen assailant at 09:19 and 09:23, just after Full Frontal and Angelo bag a Loto each. Moments later (09:27 in fact) Juliet-5's laser signal is reported terminated.

So presumably, unless a third Londo Bell MS is destroyed off-screen around the same time (and assuming those events occur sequentially, as they appear to), Juliet-5 is one of those two Jegan models.
I re-checked the scene as well:
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As you mention both Jegans are attacked by what seems to be two Gaza types, judging from their attacks: a twin barrel beam shot and a knuckle buster beam shot.

Just after the second Jegan is destroyed, the screen changes, and we can see a small orange explosion followed by a larger purple explosion, while 2 Geara Dogas and a Gaza D approach the area. Just before the scene changes, along with several beam shots in the distance we can also see a second yellow explosion. The very next scene is the one where Michiro reports the loss of J005's signal.

I was about to say that it was unlikely that J005 was the second Jegan since they are both destroyed within a few seconds, and thus Michiro would have reported both, but if you look carefully, the first Jegan isn't "destroyed" right away, but rather losses it's backpack, which could mean that it managed to survive a bit longer. On the other hand the second Jegan is destroyed in half by the knuckle buster shot and I think we can safely assume that the purple blast we see in the next scene is J005's reactor exploding.

After rewatching that scene I noticed that after this event, the captain orders that the escort suits are sent and the Nahel Argama moved to Palau as well, which makes me think that there may be even more units. However the only unit we see afterwards is J010, which Riddhe's screen identifies as he sees the Nahel Argama passing above, just before he engages the Geara Doga and the 2 Dra-Cs. Another candidate that I can think of is the third regular Rezel, which is not seen along with the other 3 units when they launch a pincer attack with the 2 Lotos with twin cannons. I suppose that the 2 Lotos and RGM-89De could have also been deployed off screen in that battle if things started to get worse.

Regardless of the above, by the time the battle at the Laplace station takes place, the only remaining operational MS in the Nahel Argama are:

D-50C x4
RGM-89D x2
RGM-89De x2
RGZ-95 x2
RGZ-95C x1
RX-0 X1

Whether the other MS were destroyed or are just too damaged to be sent to combat is unknown, but the Nahel Argama do is forced to deploy even Lotos on top of it's catapults when attacked by Gilboa's team. These 2 along with 2 Jegans are the only MS that defend the ship until one of the RGM-89De returns to the ship on top of a RGZ-95.
Edit: Corrected an error pointed out by Rawinder.
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^Minor correction to your list: it should be RGZ-95 x 2, not x 1. There were three Rezels (two standard, one commander) that went to Laplace.
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Though unrelated, the novel's account had a few more casualties. At Palau, R009 ReZEL was implied to be lost, and Juliet 005 Stark Jegan was destroyed by Angelo. In the Laplace battle, R010 ReZEL was destroyed and R011 was heavily damaged.

I don't really know about the rationale behind inflating the Fed unit figures in the anime adaptation other than the out of universe reason of marketing. Would it even be plausible for the Feds to under supply Londo Bell to the extent depicted in the Novel's account? Either way, both accounts have them under supplied, but at least one ReZEL survives to get onboard the Ra Calium in the novel version. I am not sure whether there will be more ReZELs made.

On another note, could someone recall whether R009 was mentioned in episode 3? I wonder where that extra anime added ReZEL go since episode 1, maybe it was destroyed off screen in episode 1.
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Calubin_175 wrote:On another note, could someone recall whether R009 was mentioned in episode 3? I wonder where that extra anime added ReZEL go since episode 1, maybe it was destroyed off screen in episode 1.
R009, R010, and R011 carry the Lotos and ECOAS Jegans to the Laplace wreckage.


Also, I'm seeing a pretty consistent MS supply in the anime.

Episode 1+2:
5 Jegans, 5 ReZELS, 3 ReZEL Commanders (13 total) + Lotos (2)

Episode 3:
4 Jegans, 3 Stark Jegans, 2 ECOAS Jegans, 2 ReZELs, 1 ReZEL Commander, Delta Plus (13 total) + Lotos (6)

The numbers may be inflated compared to the novel, but they've been pretty consistent so far. I remember reading that Nahel Argama operates on its own, so that could explain why its given such a large complement of MS compared to other ships.
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I also read that the Loto that was destroyed by Full Frontal belonged to Nashiri, commander of Ecoas squad 729, which joined up as reinforcements at the end of episode 2. He was also respinsible for pin pointing the missile target coordinates for the Stark Jegan in the novel version. I think they were actually nukes in that account.

That Proto Stark Jegan article said the large anti ship missiles were fitted to be used for pre-emptive out range strikes due to the stealth demanded for the rescue mission.
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Calubin_175 wrote:Though unrelated, the novel's account had a few more casualties. At Palau, R009 ReZEL was implied to be lost, and Juliet 005 Stark Jegan was destroyed by Angelo. In the Laplace battle, R010 ReZEL was destroyed and R011 was heavily damaged.

I don't really know about the rationale behind inflating the Fed unit figures in the anime adaptation other than the out of universe reason of marketing. Would it even be plausible for the Feds to under supply Londo Bell to the extent depicted in the Novel's account? Either way, both accounts have them under supplied, but at least one ReZEL survives to get onboard the Ra Calium in the novel version. I am not sure whether there will be more ReZELs made.
That's sad to know all Stark Jegans were destroyed but that itself has also been consistent in all 3 episodes so far. 1st episode had 1 destroyed, 2nd episode had 1 or 2 I can't remember, and now episode 3 had 3 (even though one was the anime debute of the now called Proto Stark Jegan).

At least a ReZel makes it to the Ra Cailum.
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Calubin_175 wrote:On another note, could someone recall whether R009 was mentioned in episode 3? I wonder where that extra anime added ReZEL go since episode 1, maybe it was destroyed off screen in episode 1.
As I mentioned in the previous page in episode 3:
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When Banagher launches from the Nahel Argama to head to the Laplace station, his monitor identifies the units ahead of him, which include R009, R010 and R011. Out of these R010 is a commander type. I think a fourth unit, probably Riddhe's unit is also at Palau, but by the time they reach Palau it is either heavily damaged or has probably been destroyed since it is not deployed to defend the Nahel Argama after it's attacked by Gilboa's team while the other 3 Rezels and most Ecoas MS are at the Laplace station.

By the way, I have been trying to figure out which are the other ships docked at Palau, besides the Endra, 3 Musakas and Musai Kai that are seen when the MS begin launching to defend Palau. There are 2 particular scenes I would like to mention:

The first one is right after Zinnerman and Marida come to pick Gilboa and before the bombs go off. The next scene shows Banagher running inside Palau. Then the next scene is an outside shot of Palau. After the camera moves along Palau for a bit, we can identify five docks, 3 on the left wall, which have yellow lights, and 2 on the asteroid below. One of them is empty and 3 of them have a Musai each. But the interesting one is the other one without light which has an odd ship docked inside. After comparing the ship to known transport ships, I think it's a Pazock class seen from below.

The second scene is right after Tikva is seen by himself inside Palau and before the Dreissen and Gaza D launch from the green Endra. In this scene we can see five ships docked on the walls: 2 on the right wall and 3 on the left wall which is moving. The ones on the right are a yellow Endra (probably the Mindra) and a Musai behind it. On the left wall, we can see a small unknown ship in the center dock and what seems to be Musakas on both sides next to it. The small ship could either be a Jotunheim class or another Pazocks class upside down and seen from a 3/4 angle. Personally I think the later case would make more sense since the Jotunheim is already an old ship by UC 0079 while the Pazock is the newest supply ship the Principality had at that time, 17 years before Unicorn.

These scenes with the ships docked at Palau show other interesting things:

-First we have located all 4 Musai Kai. We also confirm that both Endras were docked at Palau at the time, along with at least 5 Musakas and 2 Pazocks.
-The Musai Kai that was destroyed was not in the same area where the Endra and 3 Musakas deployed their MS. That said, If the Mindra and Pazock were last minute additions as cameo, where the Pazock replaced a Musaka and the Mindra replaced a regualr Endra, we could consider that their original intention was that all five ships which deployed their MS were at the same docking area and that the destruciton of the Musai might have been meant to indicate the loss of all 5 ships.
-Another thing to notice is that what destroys the Musai Kai in the episode is none other than one of the docks mechanical arms. But the odd thing here is that the ceiling itself is not moving in that scene, which makes me consider the possibility that someone at the dock's control room panicked and accidentally lowered the mechanical arm instead of raising it to release the ship.
-If the Sleeves fleet only has 8 Musakas, 5 of which were docked at Palau and 4 of which succesfully escaped along the Rewloola, that would confirm that not all docked ships were destroyed.
-The Mindra and Musai Kai seem to be of almost the same size, instead of the Endra beign 410 meters long. Maybe as Mark had pointed out, an Endra is only 270 meters long. That would also be more consistent with one shot of the third Zeta movie where an Endra is seen passing in front of the 415 meters long Gwanban, clearly showing a significant difference in size.

Just as a final note: in the first scenes of Palau, the 3 Gaza Cs seen in MA mode are stationed on the asteroid next to several missile launchers, which makes me suspect that these might be used as turrets, as Mark mentioned in the 9th page of the Unicorn Anime thread Mk III:
toysdream wrote:On the other hand, some of the mobile suits are stationed at Palau as a defense garrison - the Gaza C, we're told, is now treated more like a gun turret than a mobile suit.
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I found the cot behind the dual seat quite interesting. This could mean the Stark Jegan is designed to go on multi-day long range attack.
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The dual seats are actually positioned adjacent to each other, with the left seat for maneuver controls, and the right seat for fire arms control. In this manner, the gunner can focus on the attack and sniping data displayed above on the panoramic monitor.

Pretty nifty, I mean we've all seen how Keith failed constantly in aiming his beam cannons onboard the GM Cannon II.
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Just had a really interesting thought. What are the chances that the Unicorn's NTD system is based off of the Red Zeta's "Psycho Neutralizer" in Evolve 9?
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latenlazy wrote:Just had a really interesting thought. What are the chances that the Unicorn's NTD system is based off of the Red Zeta's "Psycho Neutralizer" in Evolve 9?
Well, in Evolve the Red Zeta is shown to be capable of controlling the enemy's remote weapons and can create energy barriers which deflect beams. In Gundam Frag I it's also shown that somehow it managed to reach the Jupitris II, almost as if it had teleported:

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