Known MSV-R so far

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Re: Known MSV-R so far

Post by AmuroNT1 » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:05 pm

You know, the idea of an exploding stick you smack the enemy with isn't actually an amazing precedent for mecha anime. Full Metal Panic has the HEAT Hammer, seen here wielded by the "Crossbow" (Sosuke Sagara's custom Savage). It's exactly what the name suggests, a high-explosive anti-tank weapon mounted on the end of a pole that you wield as if you were Gallagher.
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Post by toysdream » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:21 pm

Based on the profile text, it seems like a lot of the Gouf Vijayanta's equipment is geared towards breaking through obstacles. The "removal mace" is pretty self-explanatory, the "mines rod" also seems handy for removing obstructions, and the "scissor wire" is designed for scaling high cliffs. Even the chains on its shoulders are reminiscent of the mine-removal flails seen on tanks. Most of its weapons can also be used for anti-MS combat, but that's almost a secondary feature.

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Post by flamingtroll » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:45 pm

The intro text mentions how G-1 and G-2 were caught on video working in tantum to destroy 2 teams of GMs. While their capability is unknown, the removal mace is suspected to be able to destroy half a GM in one hit and the mace rod is likely to be able to destroy a GM in one strike. 22 G-1s and 38 G-2s were made

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Post by KVLTIST » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:05 pm

flamingtroll wrote:The intro text mentions how G-1 and G-2 were caught on video working in tantum to destroy 2 teams of GMs. While their capability is unknown, the removal mace is suspected to be able to destroy half a GM in one hit and the mace rod is likely to be able to destroy a GM in one strike. 22 G-1s and 38 G-2s were made
Thats interesting that uneven numbers were made if they were meant to work in teams... Zeon shortages I suppose.
toysdream wrote:Based on the profile text, it seems like a lot of the Gouf Vijayanta's equipment is geared towards breaking through obstacles. The "removal mace" is pretty self-explanatory, the "mines rod" also seems handy for removing obstructions, and the "scissor wire" is designed for scaling high cliffs. Even the chains on its shoulders are reminiscent of the mine-removal flails seen on tanks. Most of its weapons can also be used for anti-MS combat, but that's almost a secondary feature.
Makes sense, you don't see alot of engineering/pioneer use MS other than the Zaku tank and that is more for mundane engineering work rather than combat engineering and demolitions. Although wouldn't an explosive charge launcher work better than an explode-y stick?
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Post by Homeless » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:22 pm

It's Zeon, they don't do sensible.
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Post by HellCat » Sun Dec 09, 2012 6:27 pm

Homeless wrote:It's Zeon, they don't do sensible.
Although I generally agree, you have to wonder if all these Zeon wacky prototypes are part of exactly why we see such great advancements 7 years later. We know the Federation directly benefited from their research but giving them increasingly crazier MSVs allows for the Federation to create more consistent machines from more focussed application of said research.
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Post by BrentD15 » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:40 am

HellCat wrote:
Homeless wrote:It's Zeon, they don't do sensible.
Although I generally agree, you have to wonder if all these Zeon wacky prototypes are part of exactly why we see such great advancements 7 years later. We know the Federation directly benefited from their research but giving them increasingly crazier MSVs allows for the Federation to create more consistent machines from more focussed application of said research.
So, Zeon imagines and tests it, and the Federation perfects it.
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Post by HellCat » Mon Dec 10, 2012 12:23 pm

Hooray for Zeon, the greatest patriots of Federation superiority!
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Post by JEFFPIATT » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:15 pm

BrentD15 wrote:
HellCat wrote:
Homeless wrote:It's Zeon, they don't do sensible.
Although I generally agree, you have to wonder if all these Zeon wacky prototypes are part of exactly why we see such great advancements 7 years later. We know the Federation directly benefited from their research but giving them increasingly crazier MSVs allows for the Federation to create more consistent machines from more focussed application of said research.
So, Zeon imagines and tests it, and the Federation perfects it.
it worked the same way after world war II when both Germany and japan were defeated all of the allies took whatever tech and scientists they could from both sides even taking ships and other equipment as reparations. Zeon lost the war and the EFSF got tons of ms prototypes and production lines post war.

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Post by Homeless » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:36 pm

I just like how insecure they seem to be about their Zeon designs.

"This Gouf is equipped for support functions...but, uh, its tools can still destroy Feddie units in one shot! In fact, it and the other Gouf killed a BILLION GMs in one fight!"
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Post by ShadowCell » Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:47 pm

to be fair, killing a billion GMs isn't very hard for anyone

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Post by domino » Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:20 pm

^^ That's only true when the GM pilots don't have names

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Post by Gelgoog Jager » Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:58 pm

So, still no scans for the previous MS-06D volume?

I was hoping that the accompying text might provide more information regarding the relation between the MSV version and the ZZ version.

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Post by balofo » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:22 pm

Gelgoog Jager wrote:So, still no scans for the previous MS-06D volume?

I was hoping that the accompying text might provide more information regarding the relation between the MSV version and the ZZ version.
I've already kindly asked Deacon for them

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Post by toysdream » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:31 pm

I picked up that issue just for the MSV-R pages; it seems like the usual sources found the MS-06D variant too boring to scan for us. I'll see if I can grab a minute to scan them for you, but as usual there's no reference whatsoever to the ZZ version. (I guess the invention of a "Gariboldi team" is an implicit acknowledgement of ZZ's "Desert Rommel", but that's as far as they go.)

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Post by HellCat » Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:04 pm

As a schmuck who continues to buy Ace (the 4 panel comics make me giggle), I'm always an option if chapters don't emerge online. I'm happy to help where I can.
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Post by Deacon Blues » Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:15 pm

Huh... in my haste I must have tossed the Zaku ones. I only have the Gouf ones. Whoops. Ah well.


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Re: Known MSV-R so far

Post by Gelgoog Jager » Fri Dec 21, 2012 12:56 pm

Thank you Mark!

So, no link with ZZ's Desert Zaku after all.

Any other relevant information regarding it?

Also, making a quick recount of MSV-R Zeon volumes, so far we have had:

15 Zakus (including a Zaku I and different custom colors)
3 Goufs
3 Doms
3 Gelgoogs
2 MSMs
2 MAs
4 Vehicles/Other

I hope this means that we will get another MA or MSM on the next volume.

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Re: Known MSV-R so far

Post by BrentD15 » Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:20 pm

Gelgoog Jager wrote:Thank you Mark!

So, no link with ZZ's Desert Zaku after all.
Other than being an enhanced version of the Zaku II Desert Type, apparently not.
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