The Official Gundam 00 Mecha Thread Mk XIV

Genocide · Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:47 pm

Gone Astray wrote:I imagine it could still work with only one Drive, but it obviously wouldn't have all those neat TDS effects in Trans-Am. If anything, a single Drive would let the 00 perform a regular Trans-Am since its frame couldn't handle the flood of particles until the addition of the 0-Raiser.

The reason I'm curious is because the vanilla 00 Gundam operates just like any of the other single-drive machines. If that's the case, then the wiring inside the MS must be done in such a way that the two drives contribute an equivalent, limited amount of particles and removing a drive would disturb an established equilibrium. I mean, if it could have functioned normally with only one drive, I'm sure they would have saved the second drive for when the 0-Raiser was completed.

Dean_the_Young · Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:07 pm

Genocide wrote:
Gone Astray wrote:I imagine it could still work with only one Drive, but it obviously wouldn't have all those neat TDS effects in Trans-Am. If anything, a single Drive would let the 00 perform a regular Trans-Am since its frame couldn't handle the flood of particles until the addition of the 0-Raiser.
The reason I'm curious is because the vanilla 00 Gundam operates just like any of the other single-drive machines. If that's the case, then the wiring inside the MS must be done in such a way that the two drives contribute an equivalent, limited amount of particles and removing a drive would disturb an established equilibrium. I mean, if it could have functioned normally with only one drive, I'm sure they would have saved the second drive for when the 0-Raiser was completed.

It's the exponential particle function, or something like that. They couldn't even start the 00 and keep it running on any of the other pairs of drives, after all. I agree about the balance position; if they needed someone/something in the 00 Riser to balance the output of the only two drives that would work in the machine, I think it's fair to say that trying to use only one drive would be a non-starter.

razgriz · Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:14 pm

after seeing some closeups of Reborn's gundam form, i couldnt help but notice a lot of shining/rising gundam elements to it i dunno probably jus a coincidence tho, or yet another homage. check it out http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Image:RebornGundam2.jpg

Recon 5 · Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:22 pm

It's looking kind of QUALITY there. I guess the actual animation was so AWESOME I didn't notice the perspective errors at the time.

Well, Ribbons' previous suit was an RX-78 homage and the Reborn's first form was a Guncannon homage so I guess its alright if there are homages here as well. Ribbons might just be the Dark History of the AD universe...

CYNICISM AT IT'S BEST · Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:48 pm

the head reminds me of the Master gundam from G Gundam with it's huge.... ears? horns? not sure what they are...

Aegis · Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:08 pm

I wonder who designed the Gundam myself. I thought it definitely looked cool, but I also found the design to be a little 'out of place' compared to the rest of the Gundams in the 00 universe (with O Gundam being the only other one to stand out moreso). Something about the Shining Gundam/Strike Gundam look. Either way, that doesn't stop me from liking the Ribbons Gundam/Cannon, especially seeing it in action. Even without a pair of true drives, it had massive firepower and incredible strength to even push the 00 Raiser away. Makes me wonder, we've seen other mobile weapons use more than one Tau Drive, how does it work for the Ribbons Gundam and its own version of the Twin Drives. Sure, it wouldn't quite have the same freaky abilities as the 00 Raiser would, but its level of power stood out.

I also admit, while it was nostalgic to see the Exia return and the O Gundam being used by Ribbons once more, I was sad to see the O Gundam blown up.

radioactive28 · Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:52 pm

Aegis wrote:I wonder who designed the Gundam myself. I thought it definitely looked cool, but I also found the design to be a little 'out of place' compared to the rest of the Gundams in the 00 universe (with O Gundam being the only other one to stand out moreso). Something about the Shining Gundam/Strike Gundam look.

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The design just shouts Izubuchi Yutaka to me, but there's a good chance Okawara did it 'cos he did S1's boss mech.

speedstriker · Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:53 pm

I feel the same. The mix of angles and curves really brings a sense of motion and fluidity to the design. The general shape is very powerful while retaining a sort of contained grace. The colour choices are also very well chosen with the gold highlighting otherwise unnoticeable parts and the white blending everything together so they have a very continuous sort of look. Definitely getting this one sexy gunpla when it come out.

Here's some of the pic that I mentioned earlier. Lots of close ups, no QULAITY.

http://yfrog.com/5sreborngundam3j
http://yfrog.com/75reborngundam2j (back)
http://yfrog.com/74rebornscannonj (Reborns Cannon)
http://yfrog.com/85rebornsgundam3j
http://yfrog.com/44rebornsgundam4j (Full body)
http://yfrog.com/elrebornsgundam5j (Face close up)
http://yfrog.com/0lrebornsgundamtransamj (Trans-AM)
http://yfrog.com/0hrebornsgundamvsgundam00j (VS Gundam 00)

Hope I'm not crossing over any lines postin all these pictures.

EDIT: Links are FIXED! Hooray!

Wingnut · Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:15 am

speedstriker wrote: I combined many elements from Amuro's fighting style. Proves once and for all that Ribbons= Amuro after CCA. etc etc.

Don't forget holding the 0 Gundam's GN drive like it was the Sazabi escape pod.

The posistioning of the GN drives in the elbows of all places was odd, but I think necessary in order for the transformation of the unit to work properly.

speedstriker · Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:49 am

Wingnut wrote:
speedstriker wrote: I combined many elements from Amuro's fighting style. Proves once and for all that Ribbons= Amuro after CCA. etc etc.
Don't forget holding the 0 Gundam's GN drive like it was the Sazabi escape pod.

The posistioning of the GN drives in the elbows of all places was odd, but I think necessary in order for the transformation of the unit to work properly.

I thought the elbow drives actually made more sense! It allows for much more mobility and could be utilized in much more ways than a more traditional shoulder mounted thruster. If only I had the model right now, I'd be able to demonstrate what I mean.Shame.

Recon 5 · Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:56 am

I wonder what Ribbons would have done with the O's drive if he hadn't found the rest of its body. He didn't have any way to build a new suit after CB was taken.

speedstriker · Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:00 am

Recon 5 wrote:I wonder what Ribbons would have done with the O's drive if he hadn't found the rest of its body. He didn't have any way to build a new suit after CB was taken.

I think it was more of a "YES NOW THAT I CAN HAS GN DRIVE, I CAN HAS THE WERLD!!!" moment for him more than anything. Which is understandable since Ribbons himself should know better than anyone just what the GN drives represented and what he had lost by giving up the life of a meister. In this sense, he'd have guarded that drive regardless of whether or not it has any immediate use.

jam! · Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:54 am

At first I thought Ribbons had gotten the 0 Gundam's original GN drive when he reactivated 0 Gundam however looking at the massive display from Exia's GN drive, I wonder if Setsuna was the lucky one and grabbed it instead?

I.E. Ribbons was using the Exia's original GN drive in the 0 Gundam and Setsuna was using 0 Gundam's original GN drive in Exia?

I was wondering why the Innovators didn't use Trans-AM against Arios and Cherudim but then I remembered they had already used Trans-AM against 00 earlier. However, Trans-AM ruins the GN-T drives right? I guess they swapped for new GN-T drives after crashing due to disconnecting from Veda.

Also, when Arios ripped off the escape pod and GN-T drive from the Garazzo, I noticed that the Garazzo's beam claws/sabers remained active. Is that due to the GN capacitors?

Finally, we see both the Garazzo and Gadessa take multiple hits from the 00 Gundam in both episodes 24 and 25 however they were previously one-shotted by the 00. I assume their armour was upgraded?

Arsarcana · Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:19 am

There's no difference between Exia and 0's Drives. The apparent differences we saw previously were due to the different vernier cones. 0 had the first model which was very inefficient. Exia used a design which was more refined thanks to developments tested in the 2nd gen suits. The actual GN Drive at the heart of both cones is effectively identical. Okay, there are obviously some differences in the individual units since only those two drives could synch for the TDS* but I don't think that the display at the end had anything to do with that. After all, both drive cones on 00 were the same so whichever Drive Ribbons got could theoretically do everything Setsuna's could. I prefer to think that each got the Drive belonging to their original suit if only because it brings things full circle.

* I think we can safely write that off as dramatic license.

Melchior · Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:34 am

jam! wrote:I.E. Ribbons was using the Exia's original GN drive in the 0 Gundam and Setsuna was using 0 Gundam's original GN drive in Exia?

Nope, Ribbons stole the drive from 00's left shoulder, which was the 0's drive originally. Early in season 2 00 was shown lacking a drive in its right shoulder, which was obviously filled by Exia's drive.

jtrainor · Mon Mar 30, 2009 3:36 am

Wasn't something said somewhere about 0 Gundam's GN Drive benchmarking at higher output, but also higher instability?

jam! · Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:13 am

I thought so too

Symbolhime · Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:34 am

Hey, at the end, are those kids sitting on a trashed Tieren next to the Ahead head? or is it something else?

plau · Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:54 am

Does anyone know the Model numbers for:

Masurao
Susanowo
Empruss
Regnant
Gaga
Reborn Gundam

Wiki says the model number for Gaddess is GNZ-004. Where is the source for that? Thanks in advance.

AnimeMun · Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:56 am

speedstriker wrote:I feel the same. The mix of angles and curves really brings a sense of motion and fluidity to the design. The general shape is very powerful while retaining a sort of contained grace. The colour choices are also very well chosen with the gold highlighting otherwise unnoticeable parts and the white blending everything together so they have a very continuous sort of look. Definitely getting this one sexy gunpla when it come out.

Here's some of the pic that I mentioned earlier. Lots of close ups, no QULAITY.

http://www.megachan.net/boards/m/src/123834788953.jpg
http://www.megachan.net/boards/m/src/123834790533.jpg (back)
http://www.megachan.net/boards/m/src/123834793483.jpg (Reborns Cannon)
http://www.megachan.net/boards/m/src/123834798860.jpg
http://www.megachan.net/boards/m/src/123834801215.jpg (Full body)
http://www.megachan.net/boards/m/src/12383480382.jpg (Face close up)
http://www.megachan.net/boards/m/src/123834806294.jpg (Trans-AM)
http://www.megachan.net/boards/m/src/123834807760.jpg (VS Gundam 00)

Hope I'm not crossing over any lines postin all these pictures.

Those links aren't working anymore.

As for the rest, one of the things I enjoyed about the 0 vs Exia battle is the fact that NEITHER USED TRANS-AM! Sure, they could have done it and had a bigger bang for the buck but it was unnecessary. What I have a question about here is the R2 "unlatching" its GN Drive for that nice boost cone... Is that something unique for the R2 like the lack of GN ribbon cable and GN Sword upgrades? OR is it something that Exia was always able to pull off and just didn't for whatever reasons?