How is the slaughter dagger different from the regular dagge

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How is the slaughter dagger different from the regular dagge

Post by ydawg314 » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:38 pm

Aside from looking more badass and sporting a aile striker pack.....
how is the slaughter dagger different from os predecessor the dagger

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Post by Dark Duel » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:54 pm

The color's different, it has a creepy name, and its main weapon is a beam rifle that looks exactly like the original Dagger's machinegun.
And that is it as far's I can tell.
1. Color
2. Name/Designation
3. Beam Rifle instead of Machine Gun.

No other differences that I can see.
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Post by ydawg314 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:07 am

There must be some other upgrades?!
If how is bandai gonna repackage the same model in a different color and name

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Post by mcred23 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:20 am

ydawg314 wrote:If how is bandai gonna repackage the same model in a different color and name
...Bandai does that very often. There are a number of models that are the same MS just in different colors, maybe with one or two different weapons or some other minor differences.
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Post by Toxicity » Fri Feb 20, 2009 12:26 am

Very minor indeed. Anyone else notice the machineguns in the Slaughter's feet?

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Post by Dynames » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:04 am

Toxicity wrote:Very minor indeed. Anyone else notice the machineguns in the Slaughter's feet?
yea the slaughter has 12.7mm machine guns in its feet an the dagger does not
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Post by Kuruni » Fri Feb 20, 2009 2:10 am

The machine gun is there since normal (105) Dagger. You two must be confuse with the Strike Dagger.

Well, Japanese Wikipedia point out that the Aile pack is its standard equipment. The source won't add AQM/E-X01 to its model number when equipped. It also claim about minor performance tune, but does not provide any detail.
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Post by Volnixshin » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:27 pm

Dynames wrote:
Toxicity wrote:Very minor indeed. Anyone else notice the machineguns in the Slaughter's feet?
yea the slaughter has 12.7mm machine guns in its feet an the dagger does not
it does, actually
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Post by mcred23 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:41 pm

Volnixshin wrote:
Dynames wrote:
Toxicity wrote:Very minor indeed. Anyone else notice the machineguns in the Slaughter's feet?
yea the slaughter has 12.7mm machine guns in its feet an the dagger does not
it does, actually
It's not clear whether the Strike Dagger has them or not. While the lineart clearly shows it has the same mounts for them as the other Dagger-type units, the Strike Dagger's profile has never included them (At least, AFAIK). Perhaps the guns were not mounted in the feet, to save time and/or cost. We all know the basic GAT-01 was a cheap machine and the skimped on various features. This could be another of them...
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Post by Sume Gai » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:55 pm

we aren't talking about the Strike Dagger red we are talking about the Dagger and yes it does have feet Gatlings listed in it's armaments
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Post by mcred23 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:59 pm

Sume Gai wrote:we aren't talking about the Strike Dagger red we are talking about the Dagger and yes it does have feet Gatlings listed in it's armaments
Yeah, I know the Slaughter Dagger has the feet gatlings. I guess I misinterpreted the previous post (Of course, there seems to be confusion in the posts before it between which Dagger is which :roll: :P ).
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Post by Crimson-Lightning » Fri Feb 20, 2009 4:21 pm

one has to wonder if all slaughter daggers have the heat resistant ablative gel applied though. I mean stargazer shows slaughter daggers getting wasted from single hits from the DSSD astray beam pistols if i remember correctly.

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Post by supperrfreek » Fri Feb 20, 2009 5:25 pm

slaughter dagger seems to have more optional armaments

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Post by ydawg314 » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:35 pm

what optional weapons?

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Post by azrael » Fri Feb 20, 2009 7:59 pm

Chances are, the differences between the Slaughter Dagger and 105 Dagger are all under-the-hood (Engine/powerplant, armor, OS). Built-in weaponry is the same. They probably use the same parts. Both can mount Striker packs. Only difference is the weight. The Dagger come in at 57.05 tons, while the Slaughter Dagger comes in at 68.09 tons. So I'm going to stick with "any differences are internal" as my answer.

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Post by Arsarcana » Sun Feb 22, 2009 7:33 pm

mcred23 wrote:...Bandai does that very often. There are a number of models that are the same MS just in different colors, maybe with one or two different weapons or some other minor differences.
I'll take 'Frame Astrays' for $1000 please. :P An entire line of recolors with a few minor tweaks here and there. In case anyone doubts Bandai's intentions with that line, note how they didn't release kits of the Blue Frame Third or Raigo (don't get me started on that suit).

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Post by Calubin_175 » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:34 pm

I have to say that C.E never goes into detail in explaining the internal features of any unit. Hence, C.E is never good mecha contemplating material, despite myself having bought every single MSiA C.E Grunt.

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Post by exxecutor000 » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:45 am

I agree with some of opinions here which says that most upgrades are internals. Phantom Pain should have at least some sort of advantage over the normal 105 Dagger

Slaughter Dagger should have a bespoke beam rifle for the model kit. How can beam rifle looks similar to a machine gun (at least smoothen the outer-barrel will do)
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Post by Draco Starcloud » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:37 am

They have the technology by then to small beam guns that are smaller than the machinegun, so it doesn't seem unreasonable that they could stuff the beam rifle mechanics into a shell that looks like a machinegun.

I guess that, even though we never see that machinegun in an animated series, the machinegun is a common enough site that disguising a beam rifle like one would give the pilots an advantage.
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Post by sandrum » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:24 am

Indeed the Gundam Seed Destiny MS Encyclopedia (pg94 - slaughter dagger) lists the changes as "minor" over the 105.

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The Slaughter Dagger is an improvement over the 105Dagger, which excelled as general purpose application unit, with minor changes. Improvements were made by making unit lighter and fine tuning the OS while the coloring was altered to a dark gray. Further, its strength was added to by having the Aile Striker Pack as standard equipment, making flight within the earth sphere possible when attached. Because of this, the unit was made a mighty halberd of PHANTOM PAIN for its combat power regardless of its use on the ground or space.

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