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Re: The Macross Valkyrie Thread

Post by hitokirigarou » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:08 am

What advantages does the VF-31 have over the VF-25?

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Post by False Prophet » Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:16 am

Managed to get my hand on a Master File VF-31. What the heck are the VF-31AF, VF-31HM, VF-31L, VF-31V, VF-31R, VF-31JW, and VF-31U, whose biggest differences are wing/canard designs?

Also, there is a section on some group called "Volunteer Knights of Akarelia" who flew their own Siegfried.

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Re: The Macross Valkyrie Thread

Post by Seto Kaiba » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:05 am

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What advantages does the VF-31 have over the VF-25?
Hard to say, given that the VF-31A shares most of its parts in common with the VF-25A.

The big ones are going to be the multimission flexibility conferred by the ordnance container system inherited from the YF-30 Chronos and better passive stealth performance owing to its armaments being more internalized. Overall, their actual quantity of armaments is roughly the same but the VF-31 is going to pay for the better passive stealth with less versatility since it has four pylons, two internal bays, and two internal micro-missile launchers instead of eight pylons.

The ordnance container is the real coup here, since it more or less eliminates the need for specialist variants to handle certain missions like the RVF-25 Mainstay. Instead, you've got a modular equipment container that can be exchanged within a few minutes that can allow the VF-31 Kairos to swap from fighter to attacker to electronic warfare to airborne early warning to reconnaissance at the drop of a hat depending on what's needed. (If you look with a careful eye, you can see a rack of different ordnance containers in the hangar on the Aether in Macross Delta, though Xaos's Ragna 3rd Fighter Wing Delta Flight only used three types in the show: the multidrone recharger, the fold speaker, and fold wave radar.

Ordinarily a delta wing design would carry the obvious benefit of more fuel capacity vs. a VG wing or a forward swept wing, but because the delta wing design also came with more of the fighter's weaponry being stored internally that is naturally going to reduce or even eliminate any gains in fuel capacity brought by the larger wing surface.

They're using the same model of engine (FF-3001A), so the VF-25 can likely also employ the LU-18A heavy quantum beam rifle the VF-31 uses.
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Re: The Macross Valkyrie Thread

Post by Seto Kaiba » Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:12 am

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Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:16 am
Managed to get my hand on a Master File VF-31. What the heck are the VF-31AF, VF-31HM, VF-31L, VF-31V, VF-31R, VF-31JW, and VF-31U, whose biggest differences are wing/canard designs?
Filler.

Variable Fighter Master File: VF-31 Siegfried is a real mess. Most of it is shamelessly copy-pasted material from Variable Fighter Master File: VF-25 Messiah, which is technically appropriate given that the VF-31 reuses a lot of VF-25 hardware, and what isn't copied is mostly BS that contradicts the official setting.
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Re: The Macross Valkyrie Thread

Post by False Prophet » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:30 pm

Seto Kaiba wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:12 am
Filler.

Variable Fighter Master File: VF-31 Siegfried is a real mess. Most of it is shamelessly copy-pasted material from Variable Fighter Master File: VF-25 Messiah, which is technically appropriate given that the VF-31 reuses a lot of VF-25 hardware, and what isn't copied is mostly BS that contradicts the official setting.
Is it that bad? How much oversight does Kawamori have over these supplemental materials? Also, do you think a future publication would go back and retcon these false information?

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Re: The Macross Valkyrie Thread

Post by Seto Kaiba » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:45 pm

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Is it that bad?
Considering people buy these books for the technical detail... kinda, yeah.

The VF-31 book was just kind of a mess, and the reason why is right there in the title. Instead of writing a book for the Surya Aerospace VF-31 Kairos that's going to be the next main fighter of the New UN Forces in the Brisingr cluster, the authors wrote a book mainly about a handful of one-off custom VFs and largely ignored the military specification as if the Siegfried custom was going to ever be in production with its bank-breaking price tag.

(The Brisingr Alliance is a political, economic, and strategic alliance of worlds in the Brisingr cluster that you can think of as "Space NATO meets Space NAFTA". The catch is the entire region is underdeveloped economically becuase it's as far into the space boonies as you can conceivably get without leaving the galaxy entirely, so they're doing most things on the cheap like new fighter development. If one of the wealthiest emigrant fleets in the galaxy could only afford to build one YF-29 because of its excessive fold quartz requirements and high specs, there's no way the Brisingr Alliance is going to be building VF-31 Siegfrieds at any point... that's why their next main fighter, the VF-31 Kairos, is mostly made from off the shelf parts developed for other models of VF.)


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How much oversight does Kawamori have over these supplemental materials? Also, do you think a future publication would go back and retcon these false information?
As far as we know, Kawamori has broad editorial powers over all Macross products being created... but since the Master File books all bear a disclaimer indicating they are not official setting material he doesn't really have much reason to wade in and start vetoing content.

Odds are since Master File is already essentially "non-canon" (as far as the word "canon" stretches in Macross) I don't see any publication bothering.

Officially, there are only two variants of VF-31: the VF-31A Kairos and VF-31B Kairos. The VF-31 Siegfrieds are all unique, one-off custom jobs made by modifying VF-31A airframes, and there are only five of them (four if you count the one that Hayate lost in the midseason battle on Ragna).
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Re: The Macross Valkyrie Thread

Post by False Prophet » Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:19 am

Kaiba, you once said in this thread that the colony fleets just don't jump to the middle of nowhere, but they send out probes first. How these probes are like? Are they manned or not?

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Re: The Macross Valkyrie Thread

Post by Seto Kaiba » Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:48 pm

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Kaiba, you once said in this thread that the colony fleets just don't jump to the middle of nowhere, but they send out probes first. How these probes are like? Are they manned or not?
's not really probes, it's pilot fleets. (Printed materials draw a comparison to pilot fish.)

One of the main duties of the New UN Spacy escort fleet accompanying an emigrant ship is advance recon ahead of the emigrant ship to ensure that it won't blunder into a dangerous situation when it makes a long-distance fold to a resource-rich area for resupply or to investigate a potential planet for settlement. Early on, this would've been the role of fold-capable escort warships... and still is over long distances. Short distance scouting is done with fighters outfitted with fold boosters, such as what we saw in Macross Frontier's sixth episode with RVF-171s folding to the rendezvous area to ensure the forces coming to support the Macross Galaxy refugees weren't going to be folding into an ambush.

The Northampton-class is heavily used in this role, as a small stealth warship with a long range fold system and modest fighter complement.
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