So yes by one system of morality Zeon could be considered "evil", but for us who don't agree with that stance in the first place ( or the concepts of good and evil in general) it doesn't really work. Now I understand what you are saying about the "good men work for bad guys" and...

That's my bad, you are right. Anyone who wants to reply to my post should send me a pm. Sorry for derailing the thread. This is still somewhat UC, but did'nt Tomino have an alternate UC universe? Cutting off his f91,crossbone and victory stuff. I don't mind alternate universes that happen to be the ...

I will repeat, EVERY form of government has an ideology to it,that is a fact of life. If you are a broad encompassing government that feels that all people should be ruled under the same laws and regulations, then that is an ideological stance you support, it doesn't have to be mentioned,because it ...

i thought we'd already had the "is Zeon evil? spoiler alert: yes" argument already. It got shot down before I got to respond last time, because we ventured into politics to much at any rate, the supplemental materials that tell us exactly how many billions of people Zeon kills in the One ...

My own personal Zeon fandom comes from this factor, as it resonates with my own beliefs in many ways. Your personal beliefs devalue the lives of human beings as long as some nebulous end is attained? You'd be okay with the massacre of hundreds of millions - perhaps BILLIONS - of innocents so long a...

I think the point was more so just to flesh out the complexities of factions, it is'nt ever a matter of "good" versus "evil". I think the Zeons are meant to be the people who value ideals over material living. Half the population dying would be worthwhile if it meant securing a b...

^ But you also had men like Haman's father and Char at the time, who were pacifist, and wanted to once again find a way to gain independence peacefully. I agree with all that, but my main point is that human's favor their own, Spacenoids will inherently care less about Operation British(the colony w...

For Camille and Haman it was'nt quite like that, They understood each other and Camille used that as a reason to suggest that the two of them stop fighting, but Haman was pissed off that Camille saw her insecurities, and felt that his beliefs would not help earth sphere in any way, so she continued ...

Putting the AU's and UC together is quite a simple task.You would just have to give the earth a much longer life than previously expected.Since they were primarily digging up UC suits in Turn A I would expect that AW,AC and what ever universe G was in came in some order first,AW collapses on itself,...

I'm torn on it, I think keeping it as myth would work towards the original vision of the show best. On the other hand I do see it as a potential setting for something really great,though a bad writer could completely ruin it very easily. One thing I enjoyed with Turn-A is the two different civilizat...

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Come on people, lets be realistic for once! Gundam's main message (after MSG anyway) is alway "See this cool mech? There's awesome model kits by Bandai based on it, rush to nearest store and buy it now!" :mrgreen: Everything else you got are either secondary message or you own implication...

I was just thinking that it would make sense that if you left our solar system that aliens would be there, but I wouldn't want to see them in Gundam. Unless they are completely human esq like The Buff clan in Ideon.

Sorry farjad, I drag theese UC convo's out to long. Anything that leaves earth sphere would be cool in my books, I'm not really down with aliens in Gundam, but if we took say the CC era, And had earth and moonrace work together for mass space exploration, with Harry Ord as the main protagonist, with...

On the issue of Newtypes, I still don't agree with Shiro being a Newtype. If he possessed any Newtype ability at all, he and his team wouldn't have struggled so much trying to stop Norris in the series. I also don't believe that the Aina-Shino romance on its own is valid evidence to suggest they ar...

Though a series that operates under the same time line, doesn't necessarily even need to be a sequel .Victory's thematic and content based links to MSG are pretty minuscule,though both are a great shows and fit in UC without contradiction.The federation's incompetence and mankind's continual failure...

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Interestingly enough, I saw the OP of the first Orguss, and I noticed something like looked almost identical to that solar rod thing they use in OO, I'm wondering if that is were they got the idea from.

My issue with Kira in Destiny was that he had no real place,it seems like they ran out of story by the half way point in the series, to which we get Kira's substance less pseudo philosophy and constant "are we doing the right thing?" talk to take up space. And his presence felt counterprod...

One reason I see AW and CE as having no room for sequels even is this, the fanbase and their love of the characters. We already saw in Destiny what happens when you leave Kira out of the picture, fangirls get mad. They wanted to kill him at the end of Seed and they attempted to in Destiny, he will b...

Well they certainly aren't cannon fodder, I suppose it's just more of a change of pace in the direction of being an average soldier,because they certainly don't match Camille using the bio sensor or Amuro stopping an asteroid from hitting earth. I don't think it really hurts the show or the universe...