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EFSF Reserve Fleets

Post by EFSF Pilot » Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:07 am

Thinking about how the United States Navy stores warships in "mothball" fleets when not in use, I am thinking if the EFSF did the same practice.

Were the fleets of Salamis and Magellan launched from Jaburo in 0079 that fleet? Plus the AEUG stealing ships from a reserve fleet stored somewhere in space.

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Re: EFSF Reserve Fleets

Post by MythSearcher » Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:03 am

The launches from Jaburo in 0079 are newly build ships, while the AEUG taking decommisioned ships that we do not know if they are mothballed or not, but all still pretty new (The Salamis Kai 0087 version modicfication took place at least some time after 0083) and likely only decommissioned for the sole purpose of letting AEUG use them by cleverly getting documents signed by higher ups not really reading too much into them.

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Re: EFSF Reserve Fleets

Post by JEFFPIATT » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:11 am

The AEUG Tended to get ships and MS mostly through EFSF crews just defecting and taking the ships complement of MS with them. they later got some newer ships built by AE and during Zeta before the Jabero operation the AEUG does attack and EFSF lunar port and capture the ships docked there. The Jabero ships were new builds done on earth because Zeon had destroyed or captured most of the EFSF space bound shipyards not an mothball fleet as those would more than likely be kept in space. we do see in V Gundam that apperently the EFSF dosent dispose of any old ships as the LM forces manage to get from the EFSF an old Alexandria-class ship Gaunland

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Re: EFSF Reserve Fleets

Post by MythSearcher » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:21 am

JEFFPIATT wrote:
Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:11 am
The AEUG Tended to get ships and MS mostly through EFSF crews just defecting and taking the ships complement of MS with them. they later got some newer ships built by AE and during Zeta before the Jabero operation the AEUG does attack and EFSF lunar port and capture the ships docked there. The Jabero ships were new builds done on earth because Zeon had destroyed or captured most of the EFSF space bound shipyards not an mothball fleet as those would more than likely be kept in space. we do see in V Gundam that apperently the EFSF dosent dispose of any old ships as the LM forces manage to get from the EFSF an old Alexandria-class ship Gaunland
Well, the defecting was at a later stage, the initial fleet of AEUG was indeed decommissioned ships and MS.
The reason of early decommission is up to speculation, but I always credit it to a clever rendition of paper works.

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Re: EFSF Reserve Fleets

Post by JEFFPIATT » Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:21 pm

MythSearcher wrote:
Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:21 am
JEFFPIATT wrote:
Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:11 am
The AEUG Tended to get ships and MS mostly through EFSF crews just defecting and taking the ships complement of MS with them. they later got some newer ships built by AE and during Zeta before the Jabero operation the AEUG does attack and EFSF lunar port and capture the ships docked there. The Jabero ships were new builds done on earth because Zeon had destroyed or captured most of the EFSF space bound shipyards not an mothball fleet as those would more than likely be kept in space. we do see in V Gundam that apperently the EFSF dosent dispose of any old ships as the LM forces manage to get from the EFSF an old Alexandria-class ship Gaunland
Well, the defecting was at a later stage, the initial fleet of AEUG was indeed decommissioned ships and MS.
The reason of early decommission is up to speculation, but I always credit it to a clever rendition of paper works.
They had to be some early defectors to start the fleet but most reserve fleets tend to have diffrent classes of ship upkeep once an ship is moved there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_St ... rve_fleets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Ina ... e_Facility
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... erve_Fleet
the USN has 5 levels classing how the ship is being stored
Ships placed in the reserve fleets are categorized depending on priority, funding and the planned disposition.[3]

Category B Ships in this category are prioritized over the other categories when it comes to maintenance and funding. They are retained for possible future mobilization and will receive updates and upgrades as funding permits.

Category C These are ships that will be maintained as-is; meaning no updates or improvements unless funding becomes available after that assigned for category B ships has been exhausted.

Category D Temporary state pending planned usage by the Navy, will be maintained as-is.

Category X Ships stricken from the Naval Vessel Register awaiting disposal. Receives no maintenance except ships on donation hold which undergoes dehumidification and cathodic protection.

Category Z This category is for nuclear-powered ships and related support ships pending disposal.
based on the same history it would fit that the EFSF would have been set for reduection and the some of Salamis ships may have been stored under "B" where while the ships sat in dock they received the "Kai" refit hull upgrades to ready them to go back in to combat faster. but with the Titams keeping the newer MSC ships to themselves I would guess that the "Battleship" to "Aircraft Carrier" refits using the concept's tested on the Alibon sub-class hangers. I picture that a lot of the "donations" got disguised as "hijacking's". But this only works if it's managed like an Navel fleet if it's run like an Aircraft boneyard the ships would be in various stages of dismantling for salvaged parts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_boneyard
I do picture that's how reserve MS are stored. the USAF has it's own calss system for weather or not the units is being kept in reserve.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/309th_Aer ... tion_Group
There are four categories of storage for aircraft at AMARG:

Long Term – Aircraft are kept intact for future use
Parts Reclamation – Aircraft are kept, picked apart and used for spare parts
Flying Hold – Aircraft are kept intact for shorter stays than Long Term
Excess of DoD needs – Aircraft are sold off whole or in parts

AMARG employs 550 people, almost all civilians. The 2,600 acres (11 km2) facility is adjacent to the base. For every $1 the federal government spends operating the facility, it saves or produces $11 from harvesting spare parts and selling off inventory. Congressional oversight determines what equipment may be sold to which customer.

An aircraft going into storage undergoes the following treatments:

All guns, ejection seat charges, and classified hardware are removed.
All Navy aircraft are carefully washed with fresh water, to remove salty water environment residue, and then completely dried.
The fuel system is protected by draining it, refilling it with lightweight oil, and then draining it again. This leaves a protective oil film.
The aircraft is sealed from dust, sunlight, and high temperatures. This is done using a variety of materials, including a high tech vinyl plastic compound that is sprayed on the aircraft. This compound is called spraylat after its producer the Spraylat Corporation, and is applied in two coats, a black coat that seals the aircraft and a white coat that reflects the sun and helps to keep internal temperatures low.The plane is then towed by a tug to its designated "storage" position.

The Group annually in-processes an undisclosed number of aircraft for storage and out-processes a number of aircraft for return to the active service, either repainted and sold to friendly foreign governments, recycled as target or remotely controlled drones or rebuilt as civilian cargo, transport, and/or utility aircraft.There is much scrutiny over who (civilians, companies, foreign governments) can buy what kinds of parts. At times, these sales are canceled. The Air Force for example reclaimed several F-16s from AMARG for the Strike Fighter Tactics Instructor Courses which were originally meant to be sold to Pakistan, but never delivered due to an early-90's embargo.

Based on the Hobby Hi-zack 's model code Luna II may be an Storage fleet location for the EFSF and performs the demilitarization refitd on surplus MS along with prepping old units for resale to friendly nations like the ROZ.

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Re: EFSF Reserve Fleets

Post by EFSF Pilot » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:51 pm

That was probably Luna II's role after the OYW because it seems to never again be a strategically important base. Maybe the Galbaldy-β were refitted from their Zeon origins as "new" machines once taken out of the Luna II boneyard.

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Re: EFSF Reserve Fleets

Post by JEFFPIATT » Sun Feb 12, 2017 7:54 am

EFSF Pilot wrote:
Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:51 pm
That was probably Luna II's role after the OYW because it seems to never again be a strategically important base. Maybe the Galbaldy-β were refitted from their Zeon origins as "new" machines once taken out of the Luna II boneyard.
the Galbaldy-β was apparently manufactured there as Luna II was still an active base from Zeta to CCA Mainly because the Base was one of the many EFF Nuclear Weapons Vaults being the one run by the EFSF we did see one Earth forces base with an Vault in 0083 at Torrington Base. During zeta Jabero seems to be used as an Boneyard among other uses being now an backwater relay base. my guess was that the base did't have all of those old units there just because of the trap but those were Reserve units for the Army and stored evaluation units waiting for disposal erxplaining the many failed zeon units there. olnly for the trap plan to be set up and all of the Newer units got transferred out for redeployment and the Working ones Scheduled to be Scrapped became the "expendable" new Base Garrison. One reason other than age the Gradland got refitted with an entirely new engine block may be that as the Class was basically cursed. Due to it's kin being almost exclusively requisitioned out of the shipyard straight to Titans task force fleet when the few actually officers to the EFSF brought the ships back they got Politically decommissioned and while not all struck from the Navel Register would have been placed on the keep but stripe for parts and the entire back end may have been already removed for salvage and reclamation. the LM may have received just an ship Hulk Tat was being used as storage or another use and AE went an refit it back to combat use.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_(ship_type)

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Re: EFSF Reserve Fleets

Post by MythSearcher » Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:12 am

JEFFPIATT wrote:
Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:21 pm
They had to be some early defectors to start the fleet
Well, depending on the term "defect".
Blakes is still in the EFF after organizing AEUG, and when coming to the forming of EFF, it is a pretty loose group to begin with. Basically most anti Earth Government groups tagged along, so you get Zeon remnants as well.
Those from EFF are also not necessarily defectors, they can well just be working under blakes to begin with.
That may also be why AEUG was quite simply reabsorbed by EFF after Gryps conflict, the fleet may have actually operated under EFF the whole time, with questional paper works going all over the place and people who don't like Titans doing all the cover ups.(including both military and civilians)
Though it seems like all of the setting materials are pretty vague in the actual formation of AEUG, so I guess we need more info from official sources to tell.

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Re: EFSF Reserve Fleets

Post by JEFFPIATT » Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:56 am

MythSearcher wrote:
Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:12 am
JEFFPIATT wrote:
Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:21 pm
They had to be some early defectors to start the fleet
Well, depending on the term "defect".
Blakes is still in the EFF after organizing AEUG, and when coming to the forming of EFF, it is a pretty loose group to begin with. Basically most anti Earth Government groups tagged along, so you get Zeon remnants as well.
Those from EFF are also not necessarily defectors, they can well just be working under blakes to begin with.
That may also be why AEUG was quite simply reabsorbed by EFF after Gryps conflict, the fleet may have actually operated under EFF the whole time, with questional paper works going all over the place and people who don't like Titans doing all the cover ups.(including both military and civilians)
Though it seems like all of the setting materials are pretty vague in the actual formation of AEUG, so I guess we need more info from official sources to tell.
The Grypts Conflict is referred to as a Federation Civil War but rather than territories officially splitting from the EF it was members of the Miltary splitting between siding with or opposing the Titans taskforce the AEUG being the rouge EFSF troops and "volunteers" Karaba being the name used by EF earth based troops who rebelled the Titans. Both are funded by many AE and use what federation equipment they manage to get their hands on probably including both "defectors from EFSF command to units that were marked to be sold for scrap that some AE division or other sponsors bought and AE refitted it back to combat use that even if it ever was decommissioned beyond on paper. it's mentioned during the early episodes that the Titans think that Half of the EFSF fleet is AEUG sympathizers so my guess is that a good chunk of the colony garrisons may have been switching sides and be painting their ships and MS AEUG green from the normal EFSF colors and post-war once the EF government switched their support from the Titans to the AEUG forces and after the first neo zeon war the fleet reintegrated and went back to the normal ship colors.

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