The pefect circumstance for Newtype power?

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The pefect circumstance for Newtype power?

The link between emotions and Newtype powers is clear – the latter flunctuates according to the former. Examples can be seen with moments of great clash between personalities like the Kamille vs. Sirroco (Zeta Gundam), Judau vs. Haman (ZZ Gundam), and Ingrid vs. Johnny Ridden (MSV-R).
This thread, however, is to discuss and maybe to come to the answer of the question: Whether is there a specific circumstance which Newtypes powers may optimally manifest/be empowered in people?

To illustrate this question, let us see the examples of the most notable Newtype pilots in U.C. timeline: Amuro, Char, Lalah, Kamille, Judau, Quess, and Banager. You can see a specific pattern whose origin dates back to the childhood of each othese characters: Dysfunctional families, being brought up without experiencing almost none particular strong bond with other, witnessing many injustice to him/herself and the people around, etc. that all sum up to a person who very much lives within him/herself with his/her own dream, ambitions, and nightmares. And most importantly for some newtype is the ability to be sure of themselves – we’ve both the good (Amuro, Kamille, Seabook, etc.) and the bad (Char, Haman, Scale Sarpris from the Victory Side Story) people whose Newtype power is either empowered or drained when they gain and lost their conviction respectively

In other word, they are, or need to be, the “self-destruct type”, to quote Char.

So, what is your thought about this?
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Re: The pefect circumstance for Newtype power?

Newtype powers honestly seem to be pretty damn random in who they manifest. Let's take a quick look at the various people who develop newtype abilities.
  • Amuro: a young man who's fairly anti-social and pretty introverted, who starts out without much drive but ultimately does care about both the people around him and the world at large.
  • Char: a charming and personable guy with very specific goals he's trying to accomplish and who is willing to sacrifice the people around him -- even his ostensible friends -- to achieve them.
  • Lalah: an introspective young woman who's extremely loyal to those she feels she owes (namely Char).
  • Kamille: defined primarily by incandescent rage against the unfairness of the universe and those he feels cause it, lashing out violently at them.
  • Scirocco: a suave narcissist who uses his charm as a weapon to win the loyalty of others and use them as tools.
  • Judau: a lot like Amuro, but with actual social skills
  • Haman: a ruthless would-be dictator and raging misanthrope
  • Quess: a naive and bratty girl who has problems with authority figures and hero worship
There's... not a lot in common there. They run the spectrum from selfless to selfish to actively malicious, from social to anti-social, from passionate to apathetic. About the only thing they all have in common (minus Scirocco, who we don't know much about his past) is that they all lack healthy relationships with their parents, but it's hard to say if that has anything to do with Newtype powers or if it's just something Tomino likes in his main characters.

They don't even all have any great desire to reach out and understand others, which is the main power of a newtype when you get right down to it. Amuro mostly just wants to be left alone, Char doesn't really give a damn about anyone besides himself, Scirocco inflicts his view of reality (where he's the best person ever and everyone should worship him) on others rather than understand how they feel...

Contrary to Zeon Deikun's theories, newtype powers do not seem to manifest in people with certain motivations or personality types -- nor does manifesting newtype powers seem to push people in a certain direction. By all appearances, newtypes are just people like any other.
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Re: The pefect circumstance for Newtype power?

Brave Fencer Kirby wrote:Judau: a lot like Amuro, but with actual social skills
From the little I have seen of ZZ, that's probably the most concise and accurate description of Judau I've ever seen. Either way, it cracked me up :D
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Re: The pefect circumstance for Newtype power?

Dark Duel wrote:
Brave Fencer Kirby wrote:Judau: a lot like Amuro, but with actual social skills
From the little I have seen of ZZ, that's probably the most concise and accurate description of Judau I've ever seen. Either way, it cracked me up :D

Same here.

BTW, I've seen Japanese authoritative sources(but not official) stating Amuro, if born nowadays, would be called an Otaku.(As in a pretty negative way)
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Re: The pefect circumstance for Newtype power?

Brave Fencer Kirby wrote:Newtype powers honestly seem to be pretty damn random in who they manifest. Let's take a quick look at the various people who develop newtype abilities.
  • Amuro: a young man who's fairly anti-social and pretty introverted, who starts out without much drive but ultimately does care about both the people around him and the world at large.
  • Char: a charming and personable guy with very specific goals he's trying to accomplish and who is willing to sacrifice the people around him -- even his ostensible friends -- to achieve them.
  • Lalah: an introspective young woman who's extremely loyal to those she feels she owes (namely Char).
  • Kamille: defined primarily by incandescent rage against the unfairness of the universe and those he feels cause it, lashing out violently at them.
  • Scirocco: a suave narcissist who uses his charm as a weapon to win the loyalty of others and use them as tools.
  • Judau: a lot like Amuro, but with actual social skills
  • Haman: a ruthless would-be dictator and raging misanthrope
  • Quess: a naive and bratty girl who has problems with authority figures and hero worship
There's... not a lot in common there. They run the spectrum from selfless to selfish to actively malicious, from social to anti-social, from passionate to apathetic. About the only thing they all have in common (minus Scirocco, who we don't know much about his past) is that they all lack healthy relationships with their parents, but it's hard to say if that has anything to do with Newtype powers or if it's just something Tomino likes in his main characters.

They don't even all have any great desire to reach out and understand others, which is the main power of a newtype when you get right down to it. Amuro mostly just wants to be left alone, Char doesn't really give a damn about anyone besides himself, Scirocco inflicts his view of reality (where he's the best person ever and everyone should worship him) on others rather than understand how they feel...

Contrary to Zeon Deikun's theories, newtype powers do not seem to manifest in people with certain motivations or personality types -- nor does manifesting newtype powers seem to push people in a certain direction. By all appearances, newtypes are just people like any other.
True enough. However, my point still stand that the foremost Newtypes are those very, very sure of themselves (or at least they were when their power began to manifest. Even Lalah if you think so. And Haman, whose Newtype power really went up After the impulsive speech she made when the captive EFF soldiers broke out of prison.) The reason for this, I don't know, but maybe the feeling of being sure of one's "identity" stops himself from becoming a blank/hivemind whenever the power is manifested?

Who know? Maybe the reason why almost all Cyber-Newtype went waco is because their personalities had yet to reached the requisite level to be real Newtype? Even the most stable Cyber-Newtype (not counting the first generation Zeon ones, because they act more like all-around super soldiers) like Gyunei has some identity issues latter on.
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Re: The pefect circumstance for Newtype power?

With Lalah, it also felt a bit like some sort of "bonding" issue with Newtypes. She, and even Haman, bring up how they "met him (Char) first" before the one they seem to actually like, or at least understand, more (Amuro with Lalah, and Kamille and/or Judau with Haman) and so seeming like they're "stuck" with Char and can't seem to "break things off" with him to be with the other.
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