The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

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Re: The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

Post by balofo » Tue Apr 26, 2016 11:52 am

Lel, Ohtagaki just said in Gundam Ace that while the manga Thunderbolt would be extremely hard to fit the main UC timeline while the anime would is the opposite. Not to mention they even discarded the replaceable e-pacs which only gets introduced later in UC.

And for Origin the recent Gouf Revive mentions the YMS-07A-0 ProtoType Gouf in its manual.

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Re: The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

Post by toysdream » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:35 pm

Not sure what the status of the Origin anime is meant to be. The MSD (Mobile Suit Discovery) project that's being spun out of it seems to be intended to unite all the previous UC stuff - hence the attempts to incorporate things like the YMS-08A, MS-06Z, Efreet, Gundam Ground Type, and Gundiver which don't otherwise have anything to do with The Origin. So it's possible that MSD is supposed to be part of the mainstream continuity while The Origin isn't. It's not as if we're likely to ever get a statement from Sunrise about that, which makes definitive assertions from fans a bit silly. :-)

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Post by balofo » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:15 pm

gundam-the-origin.net/msd/

There can't be MSD without The Origin anime, so...

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Post by toysdream » Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:59 pm

Doesn't necessarily mean that The Origin itself is in official continuity. MSD seems to span the whole range of stuff, referencing mobile suits that don't necessarily exist as far as The Origin is concerned. Anyway, in the absence of some kind of Sunrise policy statement engraved on stone tablets, all I'm saying is that fans risk sounding like fools when they make black-and-white declarations based on their own opinions. :-)

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Re: The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

Post by balofo » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:06 pm

There isn't an official continuity, only a continuing UC timeline with some issues(Z Movie is the only AU). Origin can work just fine with some retcons, like Thunderbolt. Nothing contradicts them heavily animation-wise.

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Re: The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

Post by toysdream » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:19 pm

Well, the First Gundam movies contradict the TV series on some points (the order and location of certain battles, whether M'Quve is alive or dead, etc). So encompassing minor contradictions is nothing new, and you're right that there's never been an official single continuity. In the sense that "all filmed works are official," then The Origin, Thunderbolt, and 08th MS Team are all official now by definition, whether or not they contradict each other.

So, wrist slap for me for using the term "official continuity"! I should know better than that by now. :-)

As for what's part of the "main(stream) UC timeline," which is basically what Chris meant when he wondered about "continuity," that's a trickier question. Sunrise has generally avoided giving any guidance on that for the last 35 years, and it's unlikely to start now. Even the third-party publishers who used to come up with their own U.C. timelines have basically given up at this point.

For that matter, even the fans have! I don't think any Japanese fan sites have produced an updated UC timeline since the turn of the century.

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Re: The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

Post by balofo » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:28 pm

Relax, I don't even care about this canon stuff. I don't even like the OYW era that much, even worse now that it got milked even further with Origin, MSD, Thunderbolt, MSV-R, Missing Link, etc.

And people complain when finally get something new in the late UC with Crossbone Dust

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Re: The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

Post by tHeWasTeDYouTh » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:00 am

Did anyone see the Lepanto-class Missile Frigate show up in the movies??? I think I missed it
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Post by toysdream » Wed Apr 27, 2016 1:04 am

It was in, like, one shot in episode1.

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Post by Deathzealot » Wed Apr 27, 2016 3:15 am

And it was not all that impressive as it stats say it is with all those missile launchers. It is basically an UC verison of the CE Drake Class Escort. I do wonder though how in the world they can fit a crew on those things.

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Post by JEFFPIATT » Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:38 am

YokozunaBulldozer wrote:I am really liking the RX-78-01 (N) Local Type Gundam especially the visor.
It seems to be the basis for Ground Type Gundam and Marine type Gundam aka Gundiver anyone know?
https://mechacatalogue.com/2016/04/21/b ... 1n-gundam/
http://www.gundam-the-origin.net/msd/images/flow2.jpg
http://www.gundam.info/topic/15417
This is all i could find thers an L type related to it but this puts the RX-79 series as an extension of the prototype gundam line in the origin uc timeline. it looks like this Rx-78-01 Variant may be aimed at testing more specific biome deployment parts while the Rx-78-02 is heavily optimized for the EFSF and it's deployment needs the "Local Type" was made for the earth based branches of the military to base there specific component kits like the various land biomes for the Army. and aquatic ans marine landing types for the navy and marines leading to the final RGM-79 sub types.

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Re: The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

Post by Erisie » Wed Apr 27, 2016 8:56 pm

Deathzealot wrote:And it was not all that impressive as it stats say it is with all those missile launchers. It is basically an UC verison of the CE Drake Class Escort.
Remember that Minovsky technology made guided missiles useless. The Lepantos are probably relics of the pre-Minovsky era of space combat doctrine. And the CE's Drakes didn't have as many missiles as the Lepantos.
Deathzealot wrote:I do wonder though how in the world they can fit a crew on those things
Considering that it is designed as a "missile frigate", I do not think that they'll need a large crew. They could be compared to a contemporary missile boat. The Soviet Osa-class (designated as a cutter, a bit smaller than a frigate) only needs a crew of 30. Advancements in technology also serve to reduce the number of hands needed for a ship: for instance, the upcoming Ford-class aircraft carrier needs 20% less sailors than a Nimitz.
toysdream wrote:hence the attempts to incorporate things like the YMS-08A, MS-06Z, Efreet, Gundam Ground Type, and Gundiver which don't otherwise have anything to do with The Origin.
When was Gundiver mentioned in the MSD materials?
JEFFPIATT wrote:This is all i could find thers an L type related to it but this puts the RX-79 series as an extension of the prototype gundam line in the origin uc timeline. it looks like this Rx-78-01 Variant may be aimed at testing more specific biome deployment parts while the Rx-78-02 is heavily optimized for the EFSF and it's deployment needs the "Local Type" was made for the earth based branches of the military to base there specific component kits like the various land biomes for the Army. and aquatic ans marine landing types for the navy and marines leading to the final RGM-79 sub types.
What I really want to know is what do the [L] and [N] designations stand for.

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Re: The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

Post by Deacon Blues » Thu Apr 28, 2016 10:19 pm

So apparently we'll have a manga showcasing in Gundam Ace next month called GUNDAM THE ORIGIN MSD The Island of Cucuruz Doan.

What. The. Bloody. Hell.

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Post by Erisie » Fri Apr 29, 2016 9:28 pm

Deacon Blues wrote:So apparently we'll have a manga showcasing in Gundam Ace next month called GUNDAM THE ORIGIN MSD The Island of Cucuruz Doan.

What. The. Bloody. Hell.
From the looks of it, it will explore Doan's past as a Zeon pilot. It's kinda weird to connect him to The Origin, since he wasn't featured at all in the manga

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Post by Gelgoog Jager » Sat May 21, 2016 1:45 pm

Just to be sure sure, is the MW-01 late type supposed to be the MS-02, or are there supposed to be some more prototypes between it and the YMS-03 Waff?

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Post by doghunter1 » Fri May 27, 2016 9:49 am

Getting into the Origin, both manga and animated versions, and I have this to ask about mobile suits: Given how Guntanks and Guncannons were mass-produced before the Gundam was even built, what would their power sources be, because if they too use Minovsky Ultracompact Fusion Reactors too, wouldn't that contradict it being built by Zeon for their mobile suits?

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Re: The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

Post by tHeWasTeDYouTh » Sun May 29, 2016 9:53 pm

balofo wrote:Lel, Ohtagaki just said in Gundam Ace that while the manga Thunderbolt would be extremely hard to fit the main UC timeline while the anime would is the opposite. Not to mention they even discarded the replaceable e-pacs which only gets introduced later in UC.

And for Origin the recent Gouf Revive mentions the YMS-07A-0 ProtoType Gouf in its manual.

You seem upset.
I just googled the YMS-07A-0 and in a lot of the official images we see the Gouf with what looks like an Earth Federation machinegun ( the one that the federation ms us in 08th ms team) does anyone have any explanation on this?
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Re: The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

Post by Gelgoog Jager » Sun May 29, 2016 11:47 pm

Actually, figures of the MS-04 (The Origin version) are frequently depicted with that same machine gun, so I imagine it was originally developed by Zeon.

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Post by Jestersage » Mon Jun 13, 2016 7:59 pm

doghunter1 wrote:Getting into the Origin, both manga and animated versions, and I have this to ask about mobile suits: Given how Guntanks and Guncannons were mass-produced before the Gundam was even built, what would their power sources be, because if they too use Minovsky Ultracompact Fusion Reactors too, wouldn't that contradict it being built by Zeon for their mobile suits?
There are a few things I glanced from the manga story alone:
1) the RX-75 actually comes in two type: The early type (as seen in OVA-I), and a later type (as seen in the manga)
2) RX-77-01 was made by AE with the help of Tem Rey, who himself is the best pupil of Minovsky. Apparently he still had communication with his professor.
3) There is probably an "Compact" Fusion reactor that requires it to be mounted as a backpack, which is the issue with YMS-02 (as depicted in OVA-III); solved by YMS-03
4) some variant of MW-01, with some kind of Minovsky Fusion reactor, exist during construction of Jaburo in UC 0078 (Manga vol 12)

Long story short:
1) The theory already exist on both side
2) a "compact reactor" already exist on both side; just need to shrink it sufficently and you get your ultracompact reactor that can be placed in the body instead of an external backpack.

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Re: The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

Post by J-Lead » Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:16 am

doghunter1 wrote:Getting into the Origin, both manga and animated versions, and I have this to ask about mobile suits: Given how Guntanks and Guncannons were mass-produced before the Gundam was even built, what would their power sources be, because if they too use Minovsky Ultracompact Fusion Reactors too, wouldn't that contradict it being built by Zeon for their mobile suits?
On the subject of the RTX-65 Guntanks in 0068 (OVA only), it's specifically established by Sunrise to be a separate model from the Guntank used in the OYW, being given the name "early type," and although the boxart implies that it is classified as a mobile suit, I think it's safe to say that since the term "mobile suit" hadn't been coined at the time, that the "Early Type" moniker and it's status as a mobile suit are both part of an in-universe rebranding of an older model based on the fact that it's an ancestor to the RX-75, since it would be pretty silly to call a current model an "early type" if at the time of it's conception it was the current model, especially if they didn't have anything else in development. If anything, calling it a mobile suit is probably a case of semantics made official after the fact.

As for the RX-77-01; if the older lore on Federation mobile suit development is on point and the RTX-65 is anything to go on, the Federation seems to be using the year of a unit's conception as a means of establishing a model number, meaning the RX-77 was likely conceptualized in U.C. 0077, but seeing as the RX project started in early 0078, it's probable that the RX-77 started off as something other than a mobile suit (maybe a Guntank variant/successor,) and was later worked into the RX project when it started up. OVA 4 seems to take place in late 0078, much like the manga, so an early product of the RX Project showing up isn't really all that offensive as far as lore-consistancy goes. A little farfetched, but seeing as it was a massive failure and that one of those clunky sumbitches literally FELL ON TOP of the very, VERY important man that they were trying to rescue, it's entirely possible that the Federation struck all records of any combat deployment from history out of sheer embarassment, maintaining the idea the RX-78-2's/02's combat debut is the first Mobile Suit battle in recorded history. :)
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