The Official Gundam The Origin Mecha Thread Mk I

[BrentD15]

It was probably an early Salamis model, or the animators don't know how to draw the Salamis-class.

[Deathzealot]

Hmmm... It does seem to have some similarities to the 0083 Salamis as well in shape I mean. And are those AA Guns up front both on top and on bottom. I don't remember that at all on a Salamis Design.

[toysdream]

I think we can rule out "the animators didn't know how to draw it"! But for whatever reason, aside from the "long butt," it doesn't look all that much like the Salamis in the comics to me.

-- Mark

[gunform1010]

Did anyone translate that RTX-65 Guntank info?

[Wingnut]

Sheesh. When did Sally get so much junk in her trunk?

[gunform1010]

Sheesh. When did Sally get so much junk in her trunk?

She got depressed over being blown up a lot, and ate to try to solve her problems. When she was getting sick of that, she traveled back into the past.

[toysdream]

Did anyone translate that RTX-65 Guntank info?

Here you go:

A large fighting vehicle formally adopted by the Earth Federation Forces in U.C. 0065. It has top-class projectile bombardment capabilities for a tank of its time, and is equipped with two large-caliber cannons. It also has quadruple machine guns installed in its manipulators, which are capable of flexible attacks and can handle both anti-ground and anti-air combat. This machine was born from ideas far beyond the concepts of previous tanks, and thanks to the innovation of a large tank with a huge humanoid upper body, it has manifested an overwhelming presence ever since it was first deployed in the colonies. It is used to maintain public order.

-- Mark

[gunform1010]

A super flexible tank- so Zeon's engineers likely combined the concept of this mobile tank with those of the mini worker pods and thus the mobile suit was born.

[toysdream]

The "flexible" part specifically applies to the arm-mounted machine guns, which can fire at air or ground targets. Otherwise, those big guns seem a bit poorly suited to combat inside colonies, and based on this description it actually sounds like the main purpose of the RTX-65 is intimidation.

-- Mark

[gunform1010]

The "flexible" part specifically applies to the arm-mounted machine guns, which can fire at air or ground targets. Otherwise, those big guns seem a bit poorly suited to combat inside colonies, and based on this description it actually sounds like the main purpose of the RTX-65 is intimidation.

-- Mark

Riot control?

[toysdream]

No, I literally meant intimidation. Just sitting there looking scary, to keep the colonists subdued. I don't think it would make much sense to use ultra-heavy mega-tanks for riot control! That's what cops are for.

-- Mark

[gunform1010]

No, I literally meant intimidation. Just sitting there looking scary, to keep the colonists subdued. I don't think it would make much sense to use ultra-heavy mega-tanks for riot control! That's what cops are for.

-- Mark

Of course then.

This may have been discussed, but is the inclusion of the GT iffy with later continuity?

[toysdream]

I guess it doesn't quite mesh with the development history of the Guntank as per the MSV series, which describes the Guntank as basically a Core Fighter testbed based on the RTX-44. Perhaps you could say the RTX-65 takes the place of the RTX-44, but in the context of The Origin it doesn't really matter; this obsolete super-tank is the same machine later loaded aboard the White Base, and they never upgrade it with a Core Fighter, so the Guntank as we know it doesn't actually exist in The Origin's continuity.

There are really a lot of major differences between the previous anime and The Origin. It remains to be seen whether they'll try to smooth these out in the animated Origin.

-- Mark

[ZGMF-X28A Nu-Liberty]

Does anyone have a handle on translations for the texts concerning Char's Zaku, the new Salamis and the armored bus?

[Gelgoog Jager]

It was probably an early Salamis model, or the animators don't know how to draw the Salamis-class.

Wasn't there supposed to be an early version of the Salamis that didn't incorporate technology derived from Minovsky physics? Namely I seem to recall that they didn't include a thermonuclear engine nor MPC, instead relying on chemical rockets and ballistic cannons.

In a somewhat unrelated note, since the PS2 game of Federation Vs Zeon was my first glimpse of the UC technology, I was convinced due to it that there were Magellan and Salamis ships that weren't equipped with MPC turrets. I had thought that perhaps the EF was lagging behind technologically in other areas besides MS.

[BrentD15]

In a somewhat unrelated note, since the PS2 game of Federation Vs Zeon was my first glimpse of the UC technology...

You too?

[Gelgoog Jager]

In a somewhat unrelated note, since the PS2 game of Federation Vs Zeon was my first glimpse of the UC technology...

You too?

Yeah! I remember that a few years after getting it, I still played frequently to the disbelief of my brother who couldn't believe I could enjoy playing the same game for so long

Back to Origin, I wonder if they will try to include some of the pre-OYW additions from recent years, even if just cameos, such as the EMS-04 Zudah, Gobble space fighter-bomber, Gagaul class destroyer, as well as the infamous G87 Luna Tank.

More background information on the MS-05Q, MS-06A, MS-06C and MS-06FS would also be very welcomed.

[Kratos]

None of those are in the manga. In fact, there are almost no "variant" mobile suits or MS outside of what was already in the original series - just the two or three distinct proto-Zakus and the RX-78-1. Even the Guntank, which in the OVA is a prototype of the one seen in MSG, is the same one used by the White Base crew. The only MS-06 variant is the S-type.

I suppose anything is possible in the anime though, and if Unicorn taught us anything, it's that Banrise loves throwing in cameos. While I actually kind of hope that THE ORIGIN isn't turned into an MSV parade as it's one thing that I think Yas was wise to avoid when writing the manga, the temptation to do so must be high, especially considering that this part of the story is comparatively light on MS action as it is.

[toysdream]

You do get a bunch of new GM variations in the Origin comic, though, as well as a Zeon prototype bomber that's basically the atmospheric equivalent of the Zakrello.

-- Mark

[Kratos]

Ah right, the GM variant! I forgot how unfamiliar the later ORIGIN volumes are to me, my bad ><

And now that I'm thinking about it, the RX-78-02 itself goes through a fairly visible upgrade for space use as well. If the Rick Dom is considered a different MS from the base Dom, I'd say this version of the Gundam qualifies too. But at any rate, yeah, there are no MSVs that aren't either in MSG already or that aren't original to THE ORIGIN.