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Gundam Wing GOL/FT/MG new stuff THREAD

Post by balofo » Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:25 pm

I believe we needed a thread to discuss the extensive list of changes and new mechs introduced by the GOL manga, FT novel and MG gunpla. Obviously won't mention old stuff.

Remember that Wing's 20th anniversary is in 2015, and FT was made as a possible bridge to a new anime sequel. To all Wing fans, let's hope we get a new anime next year as all these new related products could be part of Bandai planning in advance.


1)MG kits: Katoki project that started with the previously known as Early Types, now are called EW versions of the Okawara TV designs. They all share to some extent the same inner frame.

A)Deathscythe:
-Katoki added thrusters to the Buster Shield to make it throwable. It also doubles as a fixed beam blade
-Scythe can now be stored on new backpack mount piece
-It doesn't retain the shoulder machinecannons because of the Hyper Jammers.

B)Shenlong:
-Confirmed to have the Flamethrowers on the Dragon Fang, which has less range than the TV ver. and has an unusual crushing mechanism(2 fangs from above, 1 from bellow but there's a solid piece bewteen them).
-Beam Trident can now be stored on new backpack mount piece

C)Heavyarms:
-Confirmed to have only 2 chest gatlings, the 2 side skirt 4 Micromissiles and the 2 front skirt 4 Homing Missiles first seen on the old 1/144 EW Heavyarms Kai model kit.
-Manual confirms the ver Ka uses a Beam Gatling, which many thought was a solid ammo one judging from the ammo canister and belt. GOL however begs to differ.
-Army Knife, Gatling Shield and hidden Beam Saber are reintroduced to the design from the TV ver.
-Katoki also mentions the backpack mounts can be used to carry spare weapons, for example: Heavy Arms Kai EW can enter the battle with 2 Double gatlings on the hands and 2 spare mounted on the backpack.

D)Sandrock:
-Beam Machinegun is now an official armament of the base Sandrock, furthermore it can be stored folded on the Shield(allowing fixed firing) and on the rear skirt.
-Shield that first appeared on a Gundam Weapons lineart section(it's different from the Kai version) is now standard. Shield ''fangs'' have moving gimmick and can use the Cross Crusher
-Heat Shotels now can be combined by the handles forming a double Shotel, it can still be heated(orange effect) in contrast to the Kai version in the EW anime(mostly an animation error)

E)Wing:
-Has 1 Beam Saber stored inside the shield(no shield ''breaking mechanism to retrieve it from the TV ver, although SD G Gen Overworld has the Ka ver. doing the same thing :shock: )
-Shoulder mounted Machinecannons with cover gimmick same as Wing Zero EW.
-Spare Buster Rifle energy cartridges stored on arms Energy Cartridge Pods

F)Proto Wing Zero:
-Brand new Katoki design replicating Okawara's original Wing Zero design with stylistic changes for the GOL manga
-Confirmation on the Wing Vulcans being located on the shield, finally. Rest of the armament and gimmicks is the same as the TV ver.

G)Epyon:
-We finally get to see Katoki's take on the Epyon and it's basically the same as the Okawara one.
-Only relevant new gimmick are the dragon mouth feet which open and are actually used to house a weapon in FT.

H)Tallgeese I:
-Katoki's new take on his own design, basically the same as the TV ver. but now the rear skirt thrusters open, the large backpack thrusters pods are now fixed on the back(instead of the shoulders in the TV ver.) and the Dober Gun has a sensor and firing mechanism gimmick.
-Confirmed to have a maximum acceleration of 15G!
-Tallgeese II is just a recolor with new head again.

I)Deathscythe Hell:
-Still got shafted HARD on the weapons department, nothing new for it as of now.


2)Glory of the Losers manga: new awesome retelling of the Tv series using the Katoki designs. Awesome art, nice pacing, plot changes, addons for every MS and crossover with FT and Episode Zero. Go read it now! **All MS add-ons are designed by Katoki

A)Wing:
-New not yet used attachment on the tip of its shield, teased on a chapter cover for now.
-The story explains Heero made the spare energy cartridges from stolen Gundamium alloy carried by an OZ transport.

B)Proto Wing Zero:
-Still built by Quatre on a Winner family asteroid based on data left by the 5 scientists. People speculate it'll be upgraded to the angel wing version sometime in the future since it has already appeared in a short manga to promote the MG Epyon.

C)Deathscythe:
-Rousette wing add-on created by using Wing spare parts, allows flying and high speed movement.

D)Shenlong:
-Lyaoya solid sword. Based on Sandrock's Heat Shotels and is connected to the shield by a cable, allowing it to be thrown and then retrieved.

E)Heavyarms:
-Igel add-on, adds 2 large missile launchers to the shoulders and 2 extra leg missile pods that can fire in all directions. Also adds a leg crawler unit for fast ground movement. Seen using a Taurus Beam Cannon mounted on a truck.
-Damselfly add-on, helicopter backpack with large booster for aerial battle. Can be purged easily to get into ground combat
-Worth noting that the manga depicts the Gatling as a solid ammo weapon, smoke from the barrel and all

F)Sandrock:
-Seen using the anti-beam mantle from the Kai ver.(the MG kit has already the shoulder compartments to fix the mantle and the shoulder armor)
-Seen throwing the Shotels, even combined. Good to see it doing this TV move not seen on EW.
-Armadillo add-on, additional shoulder and front armor which uses 2 Maganac shields with boosters inside and an additional backpack booster to allow high jumping attacks. Can be purged at will for more mobility.
-Olifant hover unit add-on(official name unknown), uses the Olifant lower body as a hover transport and mounts 2 Maganac Machine Guns as turrets.
-Missile add-on(official name unknown), apparently uses the Armadillo shoulder armor but now has 2 large missile containers on the front

G)Tallgeese:
-Heat Lance ''Tempest''. Weapon built as anti Gundam measure based on the late Walker's data. Can be fixed on the arm or be handheld using another grip. Also has the ability to generate a field used to destroy missiles during the Antartic duel.
-Halberd(official name unknown). Stored in 2 parts and then combined to be used in battle, seems to be just an ordinary solid melee weapon.
-Tallgese Zhilong(?). Wufei's wife ride in Episode Zero appears here, now as just a dark colored(dark blue according to the EW novels) Tallgeese model with a Leo head. Strangely, the backpack boosters seem mounted on the shoulders again :shock:
-Worth noting Treize already has plans for Tallgeese II/III and Epyon early on the series

H)Maganacs:
-The third design of the Maganac troops(1st Tv ver. by Ishigaki, 2nd EW OVA ver. by Katoki). Ishigaki's turn again.
-Base model: now all the Maganacs have head vulcans but still use the TV ver armaments: Beam Rifle, Machine Gun, Custom Shield and Large Heat Hawk. Also seen using the anti beam mantles and the Olifant Hover base.
-Rashid's has additional Chobam Plates all over its body, Ahmud's now has 2 fixed 180mm Cannons and 2 extra verniers on the shoulders, Auda's still has giant Claw on the right arm and a large thruster unit on the rear skirt and Abdul's has mantle-like additional shoulder armor.

I)Altron:
-Will put it here but it was first known that it'll retain both the backpack Wings and the Tail Beam Cannon from the TV ver. from a FT novel cover. Already confirmed it'll have these equipement in the GOL manga and should appear in the January 2014 chapter. Expect MG soon.



3)Frozen Teardrop: Sumisawa's novel project made to work as a bridge for future animated Wing sequel. Takes place in Mars and introduces many new MSes.

A)Leo:
-FT introduces different variations of the Leo in a flashback: Leo Type I(first model of the Leo), Leo Type II Chimera(first space variant of the Leo), Leo Type III New Chimera(improved version of the Type II) and the Leo Type IV Grief.
-The Grief were custom Leos ordered by Treize for the decisive battle of the First Lunar War. They are all painted white (OZ Specials colors) and combine elements of the Leo(base and handheld armaments), Aries(backpack boosters, originally Aries' wings) and Tragos(Dober Gun for artillery) and also have additional side and rear skirt thrusters thus resembling the Tallgeese. Treize's one has a blue crest on the head.
-After winning the 1st Lunar War by defeating the Sagittarius fortress the Griefs were stored but a group of terrorists stole them and painted them black to attack Bulge, so these MSes were called Schwarz Grief.
-Worth mentioning that in GOL they show a Leo Type V, another space equipped one.

B)Wyvern:
-MA created by Doctor J before the events of the TV series to attack the Earth Forces, resembles Epyon's MA mode and was the testbed of the Zero System. Sole weapon is a beam saber used by a small subarm. Can reach escape velocity

C)Tragos II:
-Variant of the Tragos used in the 1st Lunar War, uses a modified cannon and hover system for the low lunar gravity.

D)Virgo III ''Astoria'':
-Manned variant of the Virgo III used by Dixneuf Nonenheim during the expanded Preventer 5 story. Carries 2 Beam Rifles and is equipped with a Leo High Mobility booster on the back, planet defensors and waist mounted missiles. Still retains the MD system that's activated when the pilot is knocked out. Was defeated by Heero piloting a Cancer assembled from salvaged parts from the bottom of the ocean :shock:

E)Snow White:
-Built upon a MS frame found abandoned inside a Winner family asteroid. These 4 Gundanium frames were supposed to be used in the 2nd Lunar War but never saw the light of the day.
-Heero's new MS. Equipped with at least 1 Beam Saber and a new Buster Rifle that resembles a crossbow, also has the Zero System. The new Buster Rifle is even stronger than Wing Zero's but now it's cartridge based.
-The Buster Rifle can use special cartridges called the Seven Dwarfs which enable wide are devastating attacks. The known ones so far are: Red(creates a flaming bird, used in conjunction with Blue to make a thermal shock attack), Blue(creates an ice swan), Black(creates a tornado) and White(creates a EMP storm which can disable Virgo IVs).
-It's supposed to have the angel wings since when it moves it creates feathers.
-Uses a special anti nano cloak that both protects it from the Mars nanomachines and from surveillance satellites granting a degree of stealth.

F)Warlock:
-Duo Jr ride. Is equipped with 2 scythes that can combine into one and an active cloak and hyperjammers for stealth.
-It's specialty however is to manipulate nanomachines to create illusions such as disabling giant bats and a fake moon.
-Uses a special anti nano cloak that both protects it from the Mars nanomachines and from surveillance satellites granting a degree of stealth.

G)Prometheus:
-The only fully revealed new Gundam. First used by Quatrine. Is only 80% complete and thus the armor is missing in many places. Also has the trademark clown mask
-Has missile launchers all over it's body including a new missile container mounted on the back no present in the original Heavyarms. Retains the chest gatlings but appears to be missing both the head vulcans and the shoulder machinecannons.
-It's main weapon is a giant cross shaped Gatling Cannon which also has Machine Cannons and large missiles on it.
-Uses a special anti nano cloak that both protects it from the Mars nanomachines and from surveillance satellites granting a degree of stealth.

H)Sherazade:
-First used by Trowa Phobos. Is only 80% complete and resembles a belly dancer when moving.
-Only weapon is an arabian small dagger named Jambia, though this dagger is made of MG(Mad Gundanium) which is lighter and firmer than Gundanium allowing it to easily penetrate Prometheus' joints disabling it.
-It was also supposed to use an arabian curved sabre called Shamshir, but there were difficulties with the manipulator software program making it unusable for now
-Uses a special transparent Nano Veil which is more powerful than the anti nano cloaks and shines like a rainbow when in use.

I)Epyon White(Bai):
-Wufei's new ride that he built in a year using Treize's data and adding his own modifications. Painted in Treize's colors(blue/white) and retains the Zero System.
-The base is the same as the Epyon but has no Beam Sword or Heat Rod. Its armaments are a Beam Trident(stored on the shield) and a Dragon Fang on the right arm(mounts a beam cannon and machinecannons). Now it has some ranged options(even in MA form) but still retains the melee power.
-In MA mode the Beam Trident take the place of the Heat Rod and the new Dragon Fang acts as an extra head giving the appearance of a 3 headed pterosaur.

J)Epyon Ares:
-The old Epyon retrieved from the sea, now given a silver colored arm to replace the lost one. Piloted by a Zechs hologram.
-Now finally has a ranged weapon only in MA form, since the dragon mouths were equipped with beam cannons for aerial dogfighting.
-Can still link up its Zero System with MDs to control them in the field.
-The heat rod is more powerful when used in MA form.

K)Maganacs:
-Now they're 40 MD suits, with only Rashid's one being possible of being manually operated by a keyboard control system used to control the other 39 MD. Also called Replica Mobile Dolls, but the meaning of this is unknown.
-The funny part is that Ishigaki only designed 2 types of FT Maganacs: Rashid's commander unit(equipped with a short solid sword) and the unmanned others(equipped with a hatchet). But in the novel Sumisawa describes other types based on the 5 Gundams fighting style: Beam Cannon, Beam Saber, Stealth, Armored and Machine Cannon :shock:

L)Mars Suits:
-New mechs based on worker machines(MTF) used during the Mars terraforming. Make up the bulk of the Martian forces and there many types: terrain specific, range specific and commander units. The type of the suit is known by its card rank(6,Jack,Ace) but there are 4 variations of each type represented by the card suit used as the MS main camera shape(Hearts, Spades).
-Six of Spades/Diamonds/Clubs, heavy equipment ground combat MS that uses a cartridge based Beam Cannon.
-Eight of Hearts/Spades/Diamonds/Clubs, variable aquatic MS that uses torpedoes.
-Ace of Spades/Diamonds/Clubs, variable high mobility heavy bombardment flight type that can carry depth charges.
-Jack of Spades/Clubs, variable high mobility heavy bombardment flight type that can carry depth charges. The Jack of Clubs is also seen using a Tabar(Spear-shaped sword+axe) against Virgo IVs while equipped with a nano cloak
-Queen of Hearts, commander type unit used by Quatrine. Armed with built-in Vulcans, a shoulder mounted Bazooka, Shield and a Beam Sword that can raise its output to become a Beam Lance. Later it's seen using a Beam Mace against Virgo IV's while equipped with a nano cloak
-King of Spades, commander type unit, seen using a Beam Lance against Virgo IV's while equipped with a nano cloak

M)Black Wing Zero:
-Black version of the angel winged Wing Zero piloted by Van Kushrenada. Has the Twin Buster Rifle.

N)Tallgeese Heaven:
-Zechs built it from the remains of the Tallgeese II. Has wings and a halo and can use nanomachines to disable unmanned units. Equipped with variable output Dobergun(Beam), Shield and Beam Sabers.

O)Virgo IV:
-OZ-03MDIV, uses the old Virgo II as base and look exactly the same however its Neo Planet Defensors can easily tank shots from Snow White's new Buster Rifle and its Beam Cannon has power similar to the Twin Buster Rifle. They become pratically invincible under Epyon Ares Zero System.



That's it folks, one thing for sure: Katoki surely regrets removing so many weapons from the Gundams for EW :D
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Post by AmuroNT1 » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:22 am

Snow White has elemental ammo for its rifle.

All this topic has done is succeed in pissing me off even further.
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AmuroNT1 wrote:Snow White has elemental ammo for its rifle.

All this topic has done is succeed in pissing me off even further.
Nanomachines, son.

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Post by AmuroNT1 » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:47 am

Please don't. I get that line enough from the owner of the Junk Guild MB, every time new info about this thing comes out.
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Post by balofo » Mon Jan 06, 2014 12:59 am

AmuroNT1 wrote:Please don't. I get that line enough from the owner of the Junk Guild MB, every time new info about this thing comes out.
Even worse, now it's nanomachines and alien organisms :D

Anyway updated with the overpowered Virgo IV description and added some things.

Meanwhile have this story summary and character description. Info dump time :D
Basically Mar's first president declared Mars independent from the Earth. They were able to get independence without spilling any blood. The people of Mars began calling themselves Martians and it became the Mars Century. However like all societies, race, religion, social standings and everything we humans have caused fights. The Martian Police became a Military to calm things thing but that escalated everything. Anyway Trowa Phobes assassinated the president of Mars for his terrorist group. Later the Lanagrin Republic declared itself independent from Mars under the leadership of a fake Zechs and Relena became the ruler of the rest of Mars. Basically Lanagrin vs Mars Government vs Preventer.

A Program called P.P.P was distributed to Martians and Earthlings in vaccines that slowed down the aging process that people who live on Mars go through allowing them to age extremely slowly or normally.The program can cause the nanomachines of everyone who got the vaccine to clot up killing them. Half the population of Mars and millions on Earth would die because of it totaling at least 3 billion. The Martian Government created MS(Mars Suits) in MC16. Earth didn't like that and dispatched Preventer to deal with the situation. Wufei contacted Trowa to help out with making suits to control the situation. They tried but they sucked at making suits and could only make Gundanium because all data from the past had been completely erased. Quatre got in contact with Trowa and had 4 disassembled suits from the Second Lunar War on a resource satellite that his family owned. The Second Lunar War was lost in history which sounds like some Turn A drama to me. Anyway Trowa and Quatre both worked on 2 suits. It took Quatre 12 Mars years to complete Snow White and Warlock while Trowa was only 80% done with his two. The Lanagrin Republic of Mars had the original Epyon that they had recovered from the ocean where Zechs left it. Preventer hacked them and stole the blue prints and Wufei created Epyon Bai in 1 year.

Preventer had suits but they didn't have pilots. So Qautres younger sister was chosen after she destroyed 5 Mars Suits in a battle when she stole a Mars Suit after her school was blown up. Duo trained his kid and Catherine took Trowa Phobes to Earth to train him. They were supposed to train for 750 days to get him on Heero's level but they had to come back about 300 into the training because Relena had been awoken. Relena was frozen because the P.P.P was linked directly to her. In the event of her death the program would go off. This was to insure someone who truly wished for peace would always be around. Heero was frozen sometime after Relena by his request. Trowa doesn't know if Relena asked him to do it or if he wanted to be frozen himself. The only way Relena can die and not cause the program to go off is if her death is peaceful. Since she wishes for total pacifism she can't die peacefully until it is achieved. The only way she can have a peaceful death without TP is if Heero kills her, or that is at least what Trowa and the others feel. They also feel that it may not do the trick and the program may go off anyway in which case the surviving half of Mars will be put back under Earth rule. Trowa Phobes and Catherine arrive back on Mars and Qautrine is acting completely different to Phobes. She seems off and unhappy. Anyway later she steals the Prometheus Gundam and heads to Relena City. Phobes pursues her in a high speed craft. He arrives and they talk a bit but she is acting crazy saying she preferred when he went by Nanashii and and wore this beanie he always wore. She summons 40 Magunac MD who get ready to attack him but a sandstorm blows in and their radars are jammed. Snow White and Warlock appear cloaked and Heero tells Quatrine he is going to kill her but she says that she will go to Relena.

Heero tells Duo that they will each take on 20 MD but Duo is shocked at that many. Heero tells him that his father could have done it in his sleep which pisses Duo off and he attacks the MD. Quatrine controls the MD with a virtual keyboard inside a machine called Rashid. She plays the music to do the battle formations, Heero doesn't really attack her MD and just dances around them all cool like. We learn that Snow White has sparkles/glitter or whatever WZC has. 24 MD are left and Duo gets pissed at Heero because he isn't even fighting the ones he was supposed to. We then find out that Trowa Phobes and Heero had collaborated. Heero provided the distraction while Trowa got to Rashid. He hacks the cockpit and points a gun at Quatrine. She was too impressed with Snow White and Warlock to realize it. She really loves those suits and wanted to pilot Snow White and was pissed when she wasn't given the chance.She sets Rashid to Self Destruct and pushes herself and TP out of the cockpit and kisses him to distract him. Before anyone can do anything else Zech's kids show up and pick and Prometheus up. Before Heero and Duo can pursue they get a message that the Mars Government has launched Epyon and 3 Virgo IV. Wufei launches to intercept them.

Wufei fights the Epyon without using the Zero System and gets his ass kicked. Kathy convinces him to use it and he finally turns the battle. At that point the Virgo IV catch up and Wufei can't do anything due to the planet defensors which can block 3 Twin Buster Rifle shots fired simultaneously with no problem. The Virgo IV also have cannons as strong as the Twin Buster Rifle. Relena and Noin show up at Preventer base where Duo and Kathy are and talk to them and get some data out of them. Relena communicates with Heero and they have a small chat that he cuts off to continue fighting. Heero and Duo show up and they are able to defeat the Virgos with teamwork and the spare cartridges of Snow White's Buster Rifle. Just then The Mars Government launches 500 unmanned Mars Suits Heero, Wufei and Duo fight them but get tired about half way through. Just then Tallgeese Heaven appears and disables the remaining 250 suits with its nanomachines. Zechs picks up Relena and Noin and takes them to Naina, Milu and Quatrine before leaving. Heero and both Duos meet up with Trowa's group. Heero is obviously tired and doesn't really respond to Quatre and Trowa greeting him. Duo Jr says something to Catherine which sets her off so she punches him in the face and then chops Heero in the neck knocking him out. Everyone comments that Heero was obviously extremely exhausted from using the Zero System so soon after being unfrozen. Most people take weeks to get enough strength to really do anything after waking up. Anyway they catch up to Quatrines group and Duo launches in Warlock. Heero is put in a medical capsule. Naina calls her squad Merciless Fairies and they scramble from base as she launches in her suit Queen of Hearts to greet Duo since they grew up together and obviously like each other. She also takes a picnic basket.

Duo doesn't hide inside his sandstorm and instead fights Naina head on. They talk throughout the fight while reminiscing. She constantly offers him the sandwiches telling him that if he surrenders she'll feed him since he is starving from fighting all day. She made the sandwiches the way Hilde taught her. Some members of her squad arrive and attack the ship everyone is on. Quatre says that he'll hack off Heero's biolock from Snow White so that he can use it to defend them. Duo and Naina continue fighting and she is able to disarm him but he has two scythes and disarms her back. Eventually they stop fighting and get out of their suits to eat with each other. After they eat Duo shows her a magic trick and gets back into Warlock. He then gets serious against her squad mates. He shows off tons of the Warlocks cool abilities. First he creates and illusion of the moon and causes the area to go dark. Then he sends out hundreds of thousands of nanomachine bats that disable some of her squads suits. Meanwhile Quatrine gets into Prometheus and attacks the ship. Duo then creates 51 clones of Warlock and has the 3 members of Naina's squad attack the illusions until they are out of energy in their beam cannons and he slices their suits up while missing the cockpits. After that he attacks the Prometheus but Quatrine shoots him with a warhead knocking him into the ocean where some more of Naina's squad mates are. Quatre successfully hacks Snow White and uses the Seven Dwarf red to shoot fire all over Prometheus. Then he uses the Seven Dwarf blue to rapidly cool it. Since Prometheus wasn't complete and was mostly frame the suit freezes up. Trowa Phobes takes the last Gundam to capture Prometheus and defeats some more of Naina's squad. Milu then appears on the monitors of the ship and tells them he wont give up Quatrine. Trowa says something to him which makes Milu snap and he reveals he completely hacked the ship.

Trowa and Catherine deside to self-destruct the ship to get rid of all of its secrets. He and Catherine figure they could probably survive due to their training and Heero's capsule will easily survive. Quatre is in Snow White she he can recover everyone so they get ready to go through with it but Heero appears and stops Trowa from pressing the button. He tells him to surrender because that will get them closer to Relena and he can easily kill her that way.

Everyone is in Preventer except for

Relena
Noin
Naina
Milu
Quatrine
They are "Mars"

Fake Zechs is Lanagrin

Real Zechs seems to be helping Preventer and Relena


They look like Quatre and Trowa but are pretty different. I was surprised. Quatrine is pretty insane and stuck in a love triangle. She uses the "Space Heart" a lot. It is like an ability now. Trowa is more disobedient than original Trowa but he plays up the no name gimmick a lot more which made Quatrine snap at him.

Duo Jr is nothing like his father. He is a smart ass that talks back to everyone. Has no respect for most people and makes puns of his fathers last name all the time. Duo always tells people to excuse his behavior. He is a pretty cool guy though and likes Naina. He respects Catherine because she punches him and he respects Heero a bit too and even called him sir.

Fake Zechs, apparently, is a businessman called Neuenheim Konzern, Noin's brother. He's the one who was responsible for the PPP program.

Duo found that out after "talking" (threatening) to a corrupt coronel in one of his trips through Mars. He was at a bar. There, he met Zechs, who was still attending by the name "Wind" (like in EW). He had his daughter Naina with him, age 7 at the time.

They talked and drank tequila and Duo found out that Konzern was running a profitable business and politics at the same time. Because that's unconstitutional, he took the name Milliardo Peacecraft for the publicity.
Zechs, then, decided to go by the name "Cyrene Wind", because they were at a city named Cyrene. He then asked Duo to take care of Naina, because he was going on a journey. Father and daughter held each other tightly and went separate ways.

Duo took Naina to the Schbeiker's orphanage. Before having the orphanage, Hilde was working at a library and, simoutaneously, doing research on how to cancel the PPP, because Duo had been injected with it once he was in a hospital, for having had a motorcycle accident.
At that time, Duo needed parts to fix his bike, so he asked Hilde to marry him (jerk!) so he could share her money.
He met, at that time, an old man who owned this orphanage. Duo, then, evaded from his marriage with Hilde after a few months and went to travel through Mars, leaving Hilde desperate and angry (that's when he bumped into Zechs).
Then, the old man died and left the orphanage to Duo. Since he was nowhere to be found, Hilde was obligated to keep it and take care of the kids, which made her even angrier.
When Duo came back to the orphanage with Naina, she soon became friends with Duo Jr. We can't know for sure if Duo Jr is Duo's son, or Hilde's. But Duo, even though he didn't like the kid at first, took him as his own and trained him.

A few years later, Zechs returned to get his daughter back from the orphanage just as she was going to be kidnapped by Konzern's men (do not ask me why). Duo shot and killed them. Then Naina, sad for having to go and leave Duo, her beloved friend, asked Father Maxwell to give him a Xmas gift (it was Xmas, sorry for not mentioning). It was some kind of ring for tying his braid.

The Zero system was designed by Tomas Quarant, Quinze's older brother, who was killed in an Alliance attack. He and Dr J were, in college, part of an anti-alliance group. Heero Yuy was their colleague, but didn't participate on the group. Went to a few meetings, but he wasn't really radical about it.

Dr J designed and built the Wyvern. And Heery Yuy never knew they were making it, in fact, he didn't understand at all Dr J's ideas.

Heero Yuy, in his youth, didn't like the revolutionaries, and didn't like politics. He was lazy, didn't want to spend energy on those things. Hell, he didn't want to spend energy talking. He just read and studied.
So, he met Katrina because she needed a tutor. She was living with the Darlians. Actually, she was adopted by them, because in the Sank kingdom, in case you have twins, the one who were born first (Sabrina) would stay and lead and the other would be raised by another family (don't aske me why).

So, he met Katrina, and they soon became friends and had a lot of discussions about people's thoughts and ideas and politics. Katrina changed him, and he changed her from being a spoiled little brat into someone with vision.

Sabrina fled from the Sank Kingdom when it was occupated by rebels. Her parents were imprisioned. She fled in a ship with a lot of nobles and politicians, including a young Cinquante Kushrenada (Treize's grandfather).
Cinquante knew the ship was set up and was going to be exploded by anti-alliance rebels. He warned Sabrina, who could get off the ship in an escape capsule, in time. He, too, escaped, but let everyone die, so that he could blame these groups later and make a better image of the Alliance.

Actually, later on the story, Cinquante Kushrenada payed a visit to one of those reunions of Dr J's group. Heero was there, and they argued. Heero had already changed his views. Cinquante liked the boy, and after an Alliance attack (in which Tomas died), they went to prison (Heero and J) and Cinquante ordered to set them free, just because he liked them.

Anyway, Sabrina escaped and ended up in the colony were Heero Yuy and Katrina were. She was found by them, because Heero was working in a construction (using a MS) nearby and Katrina was with him.

Sabrina was very depressed for having to leave her Kingdom. Besides, she discovered that her father, the King, had sided with the rebels and betrayed the kingdom. Also, she missed her beloved cat and only friend, Sam.

So, touched by Sabrina's misery, Heero Yuy asked for Dr J to make a clone cat for her, using Sam's fur, NOT MAKE A SHIP!

But, Dr J ignored that request and, instead, took Wyvern to the Darlian's residency the next day and, using the A.I. in it, made it so it had Sam's appearance and psique (well, assuming that cats have it).
So, Sabrina had a cyber cat.

Katrina, one day, found out by Sam that the Alliance had set up a missile to hit the Sank Kingdom. Then, she took the Wyvern and swore to protetc the kingdom for her sister. In exchange, shw would have to take care of the man she loved (Heero).
She told Heero she had something important to say to him, because she was in a deep misery, But she would only tell if she came back alive. We don't know up until now if she has, no more translations

Long story short, Katrina and Sam went to the Sank Kingdom, made an alliance with the rebels, who started to worship her, including the future King of the Sank kingdom who seemed to have a crush on her but married her daughter instead (I hope this will be explained further). She was truly their hero, source of strengh. Together, they defeated the Alliance. And that's where the story stopped.

Angelina met Ein at this party on Earth. He was Heero Yuy's nephew, and Angelina was Cinquante's daughter. They fell in love immediately. They started dating in secret and then, one day, they sneaked out to the North Pole. Ein worked with Heero Yuy by making peace negotiations with the colonists behind the courtain, so he was a great contributeur to Heero Yuy's image.

Ein told Angelina he had to go back to space, but there was no way in hell her father would let her go along. So he went. One month later, Angelina got away from home and went to space alone.

They got married in a discrete ceremony, which Heero attended to, at the Maxwell Church. They lived happily for some time, traveling from one place to another, partially because of Ein's job and because of Angelina's safety. She couldn't get out of the house much. The Cosmo Arma was hostile towards Heero Yuy, for thinking he was uniting the colonies against earth.

So, one day, in AC 171, they were at some colony and Angelina was kidnapped, probably by command of her father. Ein had a meeting with Major Septum. He didn't know what to do, to chase his wife or put everything to lose with the colony. Then, he called his friend from the resistance, Quinze. He told him they were going to the space port. He decided to go after his love.

He found out they were taking off from runway 13. He got out of the car, called out to her, and she called out to him from the shuttle window. He then got surrounded by alliance's soldiers, including Major Septum. He refused to follow his orders to surrender, so he got shot by Septum on the left shoulder, and then on the right leg. He collapsed right over the 13 on the floor, and they took off with Angelina. Later, Angelina (who was pregnant) would name her newborn baby Treize (13 in french), because of that platform where she last saw Ein.

Ein was imprisioned for a few weeks and they never saw each other again. Then, Angelina married Duke Dermail's son (from Romefeller), Hundert. They had another son, Van, Treize's brother. But she never loved him truly, Van that is. And she never forgot Ein. So, when she found out that he had been killed, along with Heero Yuy, she started going crazy little by little, and was institutionalized in a hospital in the Sank Kingdom.

When Sank was bombarded, they moved her to L1, where one day some young Heero Yuy received the mission, by Odin Lowe, of killing Van (who was a great leader of the Romefeller foundation at the time but kinda lost it after Treize was almost killed in battle, but this is a long story).

So, Heero was assigned to kill Van, but another rebel got to kill him instead, and their mother, while he was meeting her at the hospital. Treize wasn't there at the time. When he found out, he cried for the second (and apparently last) time of his life.


Heero is Heero
Duo seems worn out by life
Trowa is more honest with his feelings
Wufei is Wufei
Quatre is Quatre
Zechs is badass
Relena is Relena
Noin is Noin
Hilde is pretty cool
Katrina is awesome
Sabrina is cool
Naina is more serious than Milou and always declares herself as Naina Peacecraft even though her last name is different. Has a father complex and a crush on Duo Jr
Milu is more laid back than his sister but he snapped at the original Trowa when he called him a brat. Has a crush on Quatrine but is unknowingly in a love triangle
Kathy is okay but hasn't really done anything in a while. She might be Wufei's daughter.

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Post by AmuroNT1 » Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:57 am

...My God. Wait, wait, let me see if I have this straight.

-Some donkey holes seeded Earth and Mars with nanomachines, then hooked them up to a Dead Man Switch so that if Relena dies, billions of people go with her.
-There's a loophole in the programming that says if she dies peacefully, the nanobots won't trigger.
-The other Gundam Pilots sent Heero to kill her because they're hoping that Relena would consider death at his hands peaceful.

So in short, our heroes are literally staking the lives of billions of people on a blind gambit.
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Post by ShadowCell » Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:02 am

WHAT IN THE BALLS IS

so they have people randomly stopping MS duels for snacks? and there's a...belly dancer Gundam? and the whole Relena-is-a-living-dead-man-switch-that-might-kill-everyone thing? but having Heero kill her would make it "peaceful"? and there's...lots of characters that don't sound particularly important or necessary?

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Post by Xenosynth » Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:58 am

I just don't understand. Glory of Losers I've only heard good things for. How can it tie into FT, which seems to be fanfiction-ZOINKS-tier? That's so... I dunno. Also, the new FT machines just sound... bleh. And I normally like mecha from all series but... the Snow White's ammo ZOINKS is even beyond the sillyness of G's mecha to the point where I can't even appreciate it.

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Post by Bryant Molirse » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:29 am

Wow, everyone hated Destiny, Age, even Valvrave, but I think we have found the new low in the Mecha Genre. Bravo, some one get Sumisawa an award.
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Post by DoubleZero » Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:48 am

Interesting read. Thanks balofo.
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Post by Wingnut » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:12 am

I've never been ashamed of being or shyed away from letting people know that I like Wing. Until now. I can't even type coheriently my feelings on the matter right now, this is that bad.
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Post by Evex » Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:49 pm

Frozen Tear Drop isn't a continuation of the Anime, but rather a continuation of the manga series. I forget which Gundam Wing manga its the one with the six gundam's linking there generators to the wing zero's buster rifle, three for each side of the rifle, and using that to destroy libra. At the end of that Millardo and the gundam pilots hop on a shuttle leaving from barge to mars to help out in the mars colonization plan. Endless Waltz never happens in the manga, so frozen tear drop seems to pick up from this point X years latter. When the mars colonization project is mid way to being completed.

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Post by balofo » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:06 pm

Evex wrote:Frozen Tear Drop isn't a continuation of the Anime, but rather a continuation of the manga series. I forget which Gundam Wing manga its the one with the six gundam's linking there generators to the wing zero's buster rifle, three for each side of the rifle, and using that to destroy libra. At the end of that Millardo and the gundam pilots hop on a shuttle leaving from barge to mars to help out in the mars colonization plan. Endless Waltz never happens in the manga, so frozen tear drop seems to pick up from this point X years latter. When the mars colonization project is mid way to being completed.
Complete BS, son

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Post by Evex » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:23 pm

balofo wrote:
Evex wrote:Frozen Tear Drop isn't a continuation of the Anime, but rather a continuation of the manga series. I forget which Gundam Wing manga its the one with the six gundam's linking there generators to the wing zero's buster rifle, three for each side of the rifle, and using that to destroy libra. At the end of that Millardo and the gundam pilots hop on a shuttle leaving from barge to mars to help out in the mars colonization plan. Endless Waltz never happens in the manga, so frozen tear drop seems to pick up from this point X years latter. When the mars colonization project is mid way to being completed.
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Post by AmuroNT1 » Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:26 pm

Evex wrote:Frozen Tear Drop isn't a continuation of the Anime, but rather a continuation of the manga series. I forget which Gundam Wing manga its the one with the six gundam's linking there generators to the wing zero's buster rifle, three for each side of the rifle, and using that to destroy libra. At the end of that Millardo and the gundam pilots hop on a shuttle leaving from barge to mars to help out in the mars colonization plan. Endless Waltz never happens in the manga, so frozen tear drop seems to pick up from this point X years latter. When the mars colonization project is mid way to being completed.
You've got a few details wrong, tho.

-Zechs isn't part of the Mars terraforming project in the manga, his ending is more like the one from the anime.
-The manga was written to have a definitive conclusion without knowledge of any sequels, much like Tomino killing Amuro Ray in the First Gundam novels. Tokita pretty much admits this in the little comic in the back of Battlefield of Pacifists, where an offscreen voice asks him about this very continuity conflict and he just kinda looks embarassed. The manga is its own separate continuity with no continuation, much like the novels.
-They've pretty well said that EW did indeed happen, since there's an altered version of Preventer 5 in the backstory and the "Mars Suits" thing was acknowledged as Sumizawa's work-around for the whole "Mobile suits and Gundams were never seen on Earth again" thing.

Also, I'm pretty sure you aren't allowed to link to a manga sharing website here.
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Post by Deacon Blues » Mon Jan 06, 2014 11:34 pm

Y'all don't know sheet about this novel. I went back and read from the beginning up until where I am now and it makes me want to gouge my eyes out and kick Sumizawa in the nads for messing with my childhood. This suit has that, this one was saved after Libra went kablooey, someone built this out of this and added that. Trying to remember who is talking half the time is confusing as frak. Gah!

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Post by balofo » Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:00 am

Deacon Blues wrote:Y'all don't know sheet about this novel. I went back and read from the beginning up until where I am now and it makes me want to gouge my eyes out and kick Sumizawa in the nads for messing with my childhood. This suit has that, this one was saved after Libra went kablooey, someone built this out of this and added that. Trying to remember who is talking half the time is confusing as frak. Gah!
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Post by latenlazy » Tue Jan 07, 2014 1:56 am

balofo wrote:
Deacon Blues wrote:Y'all don't know sheet about this novel. I went back and read from the beginning up until where I am now and it makes me want to gouge my eyes out and kick Sumizawa in the nads for messing with my childhood. This suit has that, this one was saved after Libra went kablooey, someone built this out of this and added that. Trying to remember who is talking half the time is confusing as frak. Gah!
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Post by J-Lead » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:45 pm

For what it's worth, the mecha fights in FT at least sound kind of entertaining, and some of the characters seem like they might be more likeable outside of a synopsis that probably doesn't do them justice. (Catherine sounds like an absolute bint, though.)

If anything, it might be interesting to have a Gundam story that actually has little going on with Earth whatsoever. If it or a loose version of it gets animated, at least it won't be ANOTHER AU to keep track of. Wouldn't mind a manga adaptation at least.

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地球連邦軍の地球圏防衛計画の一環として、北米ラングレー基地で進められていたATX計画(対異星人戦闘用・強襲用人型機動兵器開発計画) ……その中で3番目にロールアウトした試作機、それがアルトアイゼンである。

テスト機として保管されていたPTX-003ゲシュペンスト(タイプT)を母体にし、「絶対的な火力をもって正面突破を可能とする機体」というコンセプトの下に過激なまでの改造を加えられている。さらに開発者のマリオン•ラドム博士の意向で危険度の高いEOT(Extra Over Technology =異星人の超技術)は一切使用されていない。マニピュレータで保持される各種武器によって、様々なレンジでの戦闘を主眼においたPTX-007ゲシュペンストMk-IIとは違い、アルトアイゼンの基本武装は全て本体に固定されている。これは、戦闘中に武器や弾薬を失い、空手になってしまった(あるいはマニピュレータを損傷した)パーソナルトルーパーが、四肢を用いての打撃以外の攻撃方法を失う……すなわち、基本的には近距離戦闘しか出来なくなるという問題を解決するためである。PTX-004シュッツバルトも同様の理由で中・遠距離戦用の固定武器を装備しているが、アルトアイゼンの武装は近距離戦用の物でまとめられ、同機はショートレンジでの戦闘に特化した機体して仕上げられることになった。つまり、当時のパーソナルトルーパーに求められていた汎用性をある程度犠牲にしたわけであるが、ラドム博士はアルトアイゼンに中・遠距離戦闘能力を持たせる必要がないと考え ていた(それは同時に開発していたPTX-007-03Cヴァイスリッターに委ねるつもりであった)。

機体の欠点として、中・遠距離戦闘を不得意とする点と、重量のある武器を装備したが故の運動性の低さが挙げられたが、ラドム博士はアルトアイゼンに大推力のバーニア・スラスターを装備させることでそれらを補おうとした。彼女は、同機に「可能な限り速く敵機の懐へ飛び込み、必殺の一撃を撃ち込んだ後、急速離脱する」という一撃離脱能力を加味したわけであるが、それ故に耐久性の向上が要求され、重装甲の装着を余儀なくされた。そして、 増加した機体重量による運動性の低下をカバーするため、さらにバーニア・スラスターを追加……などという改造を繰り返した結果、アルトアイゼンは大推力と爆発的な加速力で敵陣へ突入し、近接戦闘で優れた力を発揮するパーソナルトルーパーに仕上がった。が、逆にそれ以外の用途はほとんどな く、多岐にわたる戦場での運用面において多大な問題を残すことになった。つまり、同機は特定の状況以外では非常に扱いづらい機体になってしまったわけである。特に大推力バーニア・スラスターを用いての近接戦闘は困難であり、優れた機体感覚を持ち、加速・減速操作を精密に行うパイロットでなければ、まともな操縦は不可能であるとすら言われた。

斯様にしてテスト運用すら危ぶまれたアルトアイゼンであったが、ATX計画の責任者の一人であるグレッグ・パストラル少将は「極端な発想の中にこそ、飛躍的な進歩への手掛かりがある」という考えの下、ラドム博士の無謀とも言えるコンセプトと改造を容認していた。また、開発スタッフの大半は、ATX計画の本命機をアルトアイゼンではなく、ヴァイスリッターだと認識していた。それは、同機がテスラ・ドライフによる重力下での単体飛行能力と高運動性を兼ね備えており、軍上層部が望む次期主力機に近しい存在だったからである。そのため、アルトアイゼンはパーソナルトルーパーの一つの方向性を見出す試金石的な機体として位置づけられていた。

しかし、ラドム博士はアルトアイゼンがそのような扱いを受けることを良しとせず、同機も次期主力機として採用されることを望んでいたが、時代に逆行したコンセプトと機体の扱いづらさがネックとなり、試作機の枠を超えることは出来なかった。そして、正式採用後に付けられるはずであった「ゲシュペンストMk-III」という名称ではなく、開発中のコードネームであった「アルトアイゼン(ドイツ語で古い鉄)」という不名誉な機体名で呼称されるようになった。しかし、DC戦争直前にアルトアイゼンはキョウスケ・ナンブという希有なパイロットを得て実戦へ投入され、以後の戦いで多大な戦果を挙げた。 これは、キョウスケのパイロットとしての技量やその戦法とアルトアイゼンの機体特性がマッチしただけでなく、同機の不得手な分野を ヴァイスリッターとそのパイロットであるエクセレン・ブロウニングが絶妙にカバーしていたことも理由の一つとして挙げられる。こうして、異端児的な試作機で終わるはずだったアルトアイゼンは、パーソナルトルーパー開発史上に名機としてその名を刻むことになったのである。







Design and Development

The Alteisen was the third experimental machine rolled out in the North America Langley Base where the ATX Project (Anti-Alien Combat/Humanoid Assault Mobile Weapon Development Project) was put forward as one part of the Terra Federation Force's Earth Sphere Defense Plan.

Using the PTX-003 Gespenst (Type T) that was stored as test machine, an extreme remodeling was performed under the concept of a machine that was meant to break trough the front by means of absolute firepower. Moreover, EOT was not applied at all due to Dr. Marion Radom's opinion that it was highly dangerous. While the PTX-007 Gespenst Mk-II placed emphasis on multi-range combat with its variety of handheld weapons, the Alteisen has all its basic weaponry fixed to its body. If a Personal Trooper loses its weapons and ammunition during battle it becomes empty-handed (damage to the manipulators is also possible), so the only means of attack are blows using the limbs. The fundamental problem of short distance combat could not be solved. The PTX-004 Schutzwald is equipped with fixed middle/long distance combat armaments for the same reason. The Alteisen's weapons summarize the idea of short distance combat, so the Alteisen was finished as a machine that specializes in short range battle. To sum up, while the versatility expected from Personal Troopers at that time was sacrificed to some extent, Dr. Marion Radom thought that the Alteisen didn't need to have middle/long distance combat ability (that was intended to be left to the PTX-007-03C Weißritter that was being developed concurrently).

The weight of the equipped weapons causing low mobility was cited as one of the machine's flaws, besides the aforementioned middle/long distance combat's weak point. However, Dr. Marion Radom equipped in the Alteisen powerful vernier thrusters to compensate for that. She was forced to install heavy armor taking into consideration the Alteisen's hit-and-run capability (plunge into the bosom of the enemy machines as fast as possible, fire deadly blows into them and then quickly withdraw) which required the improvement of its durability. That resulted in repeated remodellings since even more vernier thrusters were added to compensate for the mobility decline due to the increase in the machine's weight. So, the Alteisen was completed as a Personal Trooper that breaks into the enemy line with its powerful thrust and tremendous acceleration, exhibiting excellent close combat ability. However, it had almost no usefulness besides that, leaving many questions regarding wide-ranging battlefield operation. In the end, it became an extremely difficult machine to operate except in specific situations. Particularly, it's difficult to make use of the powerful vernier thrusters in close combat. It was said that piloting it decently was impossible unless a pilot with an outstanding machine feeling precisely performed the acceleration/deceleration process.

Therefore, even test operating the Alteisen was doubtful. However, one of the persons in charge of the ATX Project, Major General Greg Pastoral, approved Dr. Radom's reckless concept and remodelling under the view that among extreme ideas, there's the key to rapid progress. Also, it was known that the ATX Project's favorite machine for the majority of the development staff was the Weißritter, not the Alteisen. The Weißritter had both solo flight capability and high mobility under gravity due to its Tesla Drive, because it was close to the next mainline machine desired by the Army's top brass. For that reason, the Alteisen had been placed as as a test case machine that discovered one trend for Personal Troopers.

However, Dr. Radom didn't approve of such treatment received by the Alteisen, she desired for it also be adopted as a next mainline machine. Unfortunately, its concept ran against the times and the management of the machine hit a bottleneck not being able to exceed the experimental machine's framework. And then, instead of the Gespenst Mk-III name that was supposed to be attached to it after being formally adopted, it was designated with the infamous codename it had under development: Alteisen (which means old iron in German). Yet, just before the DC War the Alteisen obtained the unusual pilot Kyosuke Nanbu which threw it into actual combat, achieving many military gains in the successive battles. That was not just because of Kyosuke Nanbu's skill as the pilot and his tactics that matched the Alteisen's peculiarity, but also due to the Weißritter's pilot Excellen Browning who superbly compensated for the Alteisen's weak points. In this way, the Alteisen, which was supposed to end as a maverick experimental machine, carved its name as a high performance machine in the development history of Personal Troopers.
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