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Seto Kaiba wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:13 pm In all honesty, I'm more annoyed by the way the VF-31's Armored Pack (APS-31A?) is seemingly made up mostly of existing CG animation assets from Macross Frontier haphazardly combined. The leg packs area lightly modified version of the APS-25A Armored Pack's, the forearm guns are off the Cheyenne II Destroid, the turret is a lightly modified art asset from the Tornado Pack, the wingtip missile pods look like a lightly modified one from the VF-171EX, etc. etc.
You know, that actually sounded like a great idea for the Armored Chronos. And considering the Siegfried's lineage, that might actually the designer team's idea.

I have not seen any specs sheet in English yet. So, how many new weapons does the Armored Siegfried packs? Comparable to the Armored Messiah? It is kind of incredulous when you consider how successive Valkyrie models can carry more and more than their predecessors - A.K.A the engineers got better with designing VF with expansion-compability in mind.
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False Prophet wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:39 pm You know, that actually sounded like a great idea for the Armored Chronos. And considering the Siegfried's lineage, that might actually the designer team's idea.
It's possible, but IMO it still feels lazy... these packs look like a hasty kludge job, esp. considering this was the second time they tried to beef up a movie design by sticking the Cheyenne II's rotary cannons on the arms of a VF. (The first was a VB-6 variant that appeared only in the trailer for the second Macross Frontier film.)


False Prophet wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:39 pm I have not seen any specs sheet in English yet. So, how many new weapons does the Armored Siegfried packs? Comparable to the Armored Messiah? It is kind of incredulous when you consider how successive Valkyrie models can carry more and more than their predecessors - A.K.A the engineers got better with designing VF with expansion-compability in mind.
Thus far, I don't know of any source that has published specs for the VF-31's Armored Pack.

Right now the only source of art or information besides the film itself is the movie theater-exclusive booklet that you can only get when you buy a ticket to see the film. They're like 300 yen at the door, but some fans are selling theirs on auction sites for 10-20 times that. I've got a friend bringing me back a few copies, but I won't get them until next week or thereabouts.

From the look of it, the pack has a bunch of micro-missiles in the leg packs, some internal launchers for 'em built into the upper body, a pair of 30mm rotary cannons nicked from the Cheyenne II, a pair of containers for long-range missiles that look like modded versions of the VF-171EX's, and what is either a heavy quantum or MDE beam cannon turret nicked from the Tornado Pack. Plus some detachable pylons for larger RMS-7 anti-warship thermonuclear reaction missiles.
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Seto Kaiba wrote: Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:04 pm Right now the only source of art or information besides the film itself is the movie theater-exclusive booklet that you can only get when you buy a ticket to see the film. They're like 300 yen at the door, but some fans are selling theirs on auction sites for 10-20 times that. I've got a friend bringing me back a few copies, but I won't get them until next week or thereabouts.

From the look of it, the pack has a bunch of micro-missiles in the leg packs, some internal launchers for 'em built into the upper body, a pair of 30mm rotary cannons nicked from the Cheyenne II, a pair of containers for long-range missiles that look like modded versions of the VF-171EX's, and what is either a heavy quantum or MDE beam cannon turret nicked from the Tornado Pack. Plus some detachable pylons for larger RMS-7 anti-warship thermonuclear reaction missiles.
3000-6000 yen for a booklet? Ouch! Especially when USD/JPY is on the rise.

So, probably waiting for people to review the model again. I think a while ago they said that Mirage's Siegfried will be released by the end of April, so the Armored Siegfried sometime after that?

Also, I think I did asked this once before but forgot it. How good was the counter-electronic warfare capacity of the VF-31? Has anything revolutionary been made since Frontier?

I asked this because someone told me about the VEFR-1, and how it was the "mysterious VF" of Macross alongside the VF-1 ELINT. Any information? I am a bit confused - is the ELINT as heavy as a VF-1 with FAST?

And I noticed the foot design of the Destroid Monster. Did they seperate each foot into three parts, with an articulated, seperate heel, so as to make the machine stable when firing (like how real-life artillery has these hydraulic "feet" they pressed down on the ground before firing.)
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False Prophet wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:43 am 3000-6000 yen for a booklet? Ouch! Especially when USD/JPY is on the rise.
Yeah, anything that's event-exclusive tends to see a pretty steep markup when it hits the auction sites and secondhand sellers like Mandarake.


False Prophet wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:43 am So, probably waiting for people to review the model again. I think a while ago they said that Mirage's Siegfried will be released by the end of April, so the Armored Siegfried sometime after that?
Bandai/Tamashii released a DX VF-31C Siegfried for Mirage last September.

The upcoming DX Chogokin releases according to the Bandai/Tamashii website are the VF-31A Kairos in March, Hayate's VF-31J Custom in April, a super parts set for Mirage's VF-31C in May, and then Arad's VF-31S in July.

Thus far, the DX Chogokin line still has designs from the series left uncovered, so they probably won't get to stuff from the movie until 2019. They still haven't done, or even announced, Chuck's VF-31E Siegfried or the Sv-262Ba Draken III for any character (only Keith's Sv-262Hs has been done), and you know they're also gonna do the last-episode redeco of the Sv-262Hs in white and gold too. So they've got a good 3-4 designs left just from the TV series before they get to movie exclusives like a VF-31F w/ Lilldrakens, the VF-31 Armored Pack, or Mirage's Sv-262Ba.


False Prophet wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:43 am Also, I think I did asked this once before but forgot it. How good was the counter-electronic warfare capacity of the VF-31? Has anything revolutionary been made since Frontier?
Nothing new, as far as we know... its only real revolutionary feature is that, instead of a bolt-on Aegis Pack like the RVF-25, the VF-31 keeps its AEW/ELINT gear in the ordnance container like on Chuck's VF-31E.


False Prophet wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:43 am I asked this because someone told me about the VEFR-1, and how it was the "mysterious VF" of Macross alongside the VF-1 ELINT. Any information? I am a bit confused - is the ELINT as heavy as a VF-1 with FAST?
Mysterious? The only "-us" word I typically see applied to the VEFR-1 is "hideous".

Admittedly, I could see how someone might consider the VEFR-1 Electronic Warfare Valkyrie mysterious, since it has virtually no line art available and shows up only in a single pan shot in the original Macross series' 27th episode. More a "phantom" Valkyrie, I guess.

We have some coverage of it on the Macross Mecha Manual here:
http://www.macross2.net/m3/sdfmacross/vefr-1.htm

IIRC the art source is a cleaned up scan from the Macross Model Hobby Handbook.

There's not a lot of info on the VEFR-1. Like the VF-1D, it was a hasty, improvised variant rushed into production for the first few production blocks (the TV series ver.) that was meant to fill a niche before the dedicated model for that role was introduced in a later production block. The VF-1D was a hastily built model conversion training variant, which had the cockpit block of an otherwise fairly standard VF-1 modified to make room for that second seat by greatly reducing the onboard escape/survival gear, which is why the VF-1D was seldom used in space. In the VEFR-1, there were two versions: a single-seat type with the space vacated by the escape/survival gear used for a data-link system that relays sensor data back to a mothership for processing and analysis, and a model with VF-1D-style tandem seating to accommodate an onboard electronic warfare specialist.

Starting in Block 6, the VF-1D was replaced by the dedicated training variant VT-1... and the VEFR-1 was likewise replaced by a dedicated electronic warfare model derived from the VT-1, the VE-1. The VT-1 and VE-1 had all of the technological upgrades that the other Block 6 VF-1s had, but their redesigned tandem cockpit block does not compromise escape/survival gear.

Because the radome and other ELINT hardware were either bolted directly to the airframe, the VEFR-1 couldn't use FAST packs. The VE-1 that replaced it had most of its ELINT hardware tied up in its FAST packs, so it was mainly for space use, giving it a mass approximately comparable to the VF-1 Super Valkyrie.


False Prophet wrote: Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:43 am And I noticed the foot design of the Destroid Monster. Did they seperate each foot into three parts, with an articulated, seperate heel, so as to make the machine stable when firing (like how real-life artillery has these hydraulic "feet" they pressed down on the ground before firing.)
That's more to facilitate walking over broken or unlevel ground. The 04 Series destroids (Tomahawk, Defender, Phalanx) also have articulated feet for similar purposes.

The Monster has a support plate on its back to add stability while firing, as seen in Macross Zero and on the VB-6 in Macross Frontier and Macross Delta.
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Did Macross or DYRL mentioned when did the Zetrandi stopped producing Battlesuits (not counting the new one in Macross Plus). What happened to the surviving ones, other than being made agressors in training?
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False Prophet wrote: Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:58 am Did Macross or DYRL mentioned when did the Zetrandi stopped producing Battlesuits (not counting the new one in Macross Plus). What happened to the surviving ones, other than being made agressors in training?
You mean the Zentradi soldiers in the New UN Forces, e.g. the New UN Spacy Marine Corps, or the Zentradi Army itself?

The prevalence of the Esbeliben Regult battle pod and derivatives of same in the New UN Spacy Marine Corps inventory can probably be traced back to the fact that the first factory satellite the New UN Spacy "obtained" back in October 2011 was set up to manufacture Regults. Only a few of the 20+ factory satellites which have fallen under New UN Government control are identified, so we don't know if the New UN Spacy Marines don't use the Nousjadeul-Ger because they found it deficient or simply lack the means to produce adequate repair parts. The Queadluun-Rau was a favorite of the New UN Spacy and it's noted that the New UN Spacy went to considerable lengths to keep them flying despite a lack of adequate repair parts that was gradually whittling down their fleet of them, ultimately culminating in a mission to capture a factory satellite that produced them and moving it to one of Eden's lagrange points and the development of an enhanced model based on data gained while refurbishing and reverse-engineering its manufacturing process (and also the development of the YF-21/VF-22 based on technologies from the Queadluun-Rau). That enhanced model is the Queadluun-Rhea used in Macross Frontier and in Macross Delta's first episode. They seem to have abandoned their stocks of regular Queadluun-Raus in light of the new model's higher survivability. They seem to be filling the niche the Nousjadeul-Ger occupied with Regult derivatives that employ Queadluun-Rhea hardware, such as the ZBP-106 Regult Type-106 from Delta's first episode.

As far as we know, the only model of mecha which the Zentradi Army has lost the ability to produce is their Roiquonmi Glaug battle pod. They lost the factory satellites that produced the Glaug to a Supervision Army attack 280,000 years ago. (They also lost the ability to make thermonuclear reaction warheads, about 100,000 years before that.)

Battle pods are more common than battle suits in the Zentradi Army's ranks because the battle suits are far higher performance, and accordingly are more complex and resource-intensive to produce. The Nousjadeul-Ger is their standard model, which offers greater survivability and a diverse array of weapons options. The Queadluun-Rau used by the female Zentradi troops exclusively is produced in smaller volumes because that model is the highest-performance, most complex, and most resource-intensive of the lot. It proved to be a bridge too far for the average Zentradi pilot, and the Protoculture solved the problem by simply creating a better pilot (the female troops) instead. Its high cost and complexity derives from it having adopted a fold carbon-based inertia capacitor system (the inertia vector control system) to insulate the cockpit from high g-forces encountered during maneuvers with its overpowered engines. The unnamed battle suit which first appeared in Macross Plus is indicated to be a model meant to fill a similar role to the Queadluun-Rau in the Zentradi Army inventory but without the excessive performance that made the Queadluun-Rau inaccessible to the standard Zentradi soldier.


EDIT: As a fun side note, the UN Spacy's VFs in Macross II: Lovers Again are actually derived from the application of technology reverse-engineered from a captured Flemenmik automated factory satellite (the ones that make Nousjadeul-Ger battle suits) to VFs. The VF-XX Zentradi Valkyrie, VF-2 series, and VA-1SS Metal Siren are all derivatives of the Nousjadeul-Ger battle suit.
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Any explanation was given to why the F14 in Macross Zero was designated with a "Kai"? In which part of the re-furbishing process done to the plane was the Japanese involved?

Also, what do you think of the prospect of anyone trying to use Var to become immortal, or at least turn younger like Mao Nome?
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False Prophet wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:29 am Any explanation was given to why the F14 in Macross Zero was designated with a "Kai"? In which part of the refurbishing process done to the plane was the Japanese involved?
The 改 is used inconsistently with respect to that particular aircraft. Most official publications list it as the Grumman F-14A++.

In practice - and in an amusing nod to the F-14B originally being considered F-14A+ - it's essentially a F-14B that's been upgraded to the F-14D's technical standard and then given some minor modernization with OTM-based avionics upgrades. Exactly what systems were upgraded isn't clear, apart from the fact the engines clearly aren't one of them (it's using the very real F110-GE-400 from the F-14D). Why they didn't just call it the F-14D (UN Forces ver.) is beyond me... no Japanese involvement is mentioned. 改 is just Japanese shorthand for "modified", "customized", or "upgraded".


False Prophet wrote: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:29 am Also, what do you think of the prospect of anyone trying to use Var to become immortal, or at least turn younger like Mao Nome?
Racking my brains on this one... when did Mao become younger?

Roid Brehm's master plan WRT the Star Shrine was to use the Delta System to at least take the sting out of the Windermereans short lifespans... but making someone immortal? We've seen that biological fold waves could accelerate natural growth, but making someone immortal is likely impossible by those means.

Thus far, the only sure-fire ticket to "immortality" in Macross would appear to be using cybernetics to go the Ghost in the Shell route the way Macross VF-X2 villain Manfred Brando did. Though, it's worth noting that the data entity "Manfred" is a copy of Manfred's mind made before his death, rather than the surviving consciousness of the once-living Manfred Brando.

EDIT: Data-entity Manfred doesn't appear to be any less of a complete cretin than the flesh-and-blood one was, anyway... considering he partners with the Macross Galaxy executives in their plan to institute a fold network over the entire galaxy for purposes of mind control.
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What kind of modifications they made to the ARMD, the Prometheus, and the Daedalus to attach them to the Macross? And had there been an estimation of the Macross's generator output? - I guess that an tremendous amount must had gone into the electricity to reinforce the armor under all that weight.

Also, was the Prometheus produced before or after the ARMD? And was there any direct relation between the design of these two? I asked this because I want to know whether the Guantánamo-class and the Uraga-class had inherited the role of both the Prometheus and the ARMD, or was the Promethues made obsolete after the invention of the ARMD?
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False Prophet wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:01 am What kind of modifications they made to the ARMD, the Prometheus, and the Daedalus to attach them to the Macross?
In either case, the ship's stern had to be retrofitted with a docking mechanism to secure the ship in place and connect its systems to the Macross's. I'd assume further modification was necessary to outfit the water-going Daedalus and Prometheus with artificial gravity, though Macross Chronicle says they'd only required simple improvements as the ships were already airtight.


False Prophet wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:01 am And had there been an estimation of the Macross's generator output? - I guess that an tremendous amount must had gone into the electricity to reinforce the armor under all that weight.
None, though as warships are generally using hypercarbon both for structural framing and the outer hull, they are INCREDIBLY tough stuff. With meters-thick hulls of a material a hundred times or more stronger than the very best armor-grade steel, energy conversion armor reinforcement probably wasn't all that necessary.


False Prophet wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:01 am Also, was the Prometheus produced before or after the ARMD?
Well, that's a tricky question to answer... partly because it'd depend on what you considered the start of production of the ARMD-class, and partly because they were produced at the same time.

Construction of the CVS-101 Prometheus began in June 2002, about nine months before the start of construction on ARMD/SCV-01 Harlan J. Niven in April 2003. That said, the ARMD-class was in active mass production from that point on. The Prometheus was completed in October 2005, while the much more complex Harlan J. Niven wasn't launched until July 2008.

The technicality in the ARMD-class's origins is that they weren't originally built to be spare carriers... the design that predated the start of production was for space stations. They were conceived as the space equivalent of an airbase, bolstering orbital planetary defenses by allowing large numbers of fighters to be semi-permanently based in geostationary orbit or at the Lagrange points. When restoration work on the Macross began in earnest, the idea was floating of using them as augment the ship's defenses, so they were reworked as space aircraft carriers. The record is slightly sketchy, but the L5 Frontline Station may be either the proof of concept for the space station design or it's the prototype carrier ARMD/SCV-00 Constitution converted back into a space station. In the latter case, we don't know when they built ARMD/SCV-00.


False Prophet wrote: Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:01 am And was there any direct relation between the design of these two? I asked this because I want to know whether the Guantánamo-class and the Uraga-class had inherited the role of both the Prometheus and the ARMD, or was the Promethues made obsolete after the invention of the ARMD?
Not as far as we know.

Variable Fighter Master File non-canonically suggests there were plans to build as five Daedalus and five Prometheus-class ships for surface-based planetary defense. They were supposed to operate in pairs, with one carrier and one assault ship per zone. The map in the book points to Group 1 (CVS-101 & SLV-111) having responsibility for coastal defenses of everything between Sri Lanka and the Bering Strait in Asia, as well as Russia's northern coast up to the western border of the Sakha Republic. Group 2 had North America's northern coast north of Diomede in the Bering strait down around to the Gulf of Mexico north of Cuba. Group 3 had Central America from Cuba south around to Michoakan on Mexico's south coast as well as all of Africa and the western coast of Europe south of Britain, in thru the Mediterranean and down to India west of Sri Lanka. Group 4 had pretty much all of Europe from England's south coast up to Sakha's western border, and Group 5 had a fairly small slice consisting of just the western coast of North and Central America from Diomede south to Michoakan (basically the entire US western seaboard).

This defense plan apparently went to smash when the Zentradi showed up and revealed the futility of their surface-based plans to repel an alien attack, so the Prometheus-class was apparently never revisited, leaving the Prometheus and Daedalus one-of-a-kind with no completed sister ships.

The Guantanamo-class space stealth carrier inherited a LOT more from the ARMD-class (TV) and ARMD II-class (DYRL) space carriers it replaced... it WAS the next-gen ARMD. Literally. It's described as the Guantanamo-class Advanced ARMD and at least in Macross 7 it still retained the "ARMD" hull classification symbol until Macross Frontier. The Uraga-class is hinted to have come out of the need for a more versatile and higher capacity warship... not so much a spacegoing Prometheus as a smaller version of a Battle-class.
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Is it true that Isamu was the pilot of the YF-24? If so, then why didn't he use it instead of that VF-19 in the movie?

Also, did Kawamori intended from the start for the VF-25 and VF-27 to mirror the VF-19 and VF-21 respectively?

And, is there any behind-the-scene documents talking about why and how vastly different are the VF designed between 7 and Frontier? It is to me models like the VF-11 and VF-19 were a sky away from the VF-25 in appearance.

(By the way, did the VF-19 appeared in Frontier? In-universe, there must had been some still flied by the time of the Vajra-war, but I could not recall if it did or not on screen.)
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False Prophet wrote: Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:34 pm Is it true that Isamu was the pilot of the YF-24?
Yes, as far as we know he was the pilot of the final YF-24 Evolution prototype for its flight demonstration to the New UN Forces brass at New Edwards. I don't know if he was involved with the testing on the original YF-24 prototypes that had been abandoned becuase the immature ISC technology was causing crashes.


False Prophet wrote: Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:34 pm If so, then why didn't he use it instead of that VF-19 in the movie?
Because that YF-24 Evolution prototype was New UN Forces property.

After the Sharon Apple incident in 2040, Isamu's "reward" for saving the day in light of having stolen the YF-19 prototype and destroyed a number of extremely expensive defense satellites was to be put on a career path towards a desk job at the New Edwards test flight center. That didn't exactly sit well with him. Major Isamu Dyson was part of the reserves in 2057 during the testing of the YF-24 and by 2059 had retired to join Strategic Military Services instead. As such, he had no access to a YF-24 or any other New UN Forces hardware... which led to an amusing story in Macross Chronicle about how he tried to illegally purchase parts for a VF-19 and how poor Dr. Neumann ended up having to essentially fob him off with a one-off VF-19 monkey model (the VF-19EF/A "Isamu Special" from the movie) under the pretense of that being a service life extension program feasibility study to stop him from doing something that could land them both in prison.


False Prophet wrote: Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:34 pm Also, did Kawamori intended from the start for the VF-25 and VF-27 to mirror the VF-19 and VF-21 respectively?
If he did, I haven't seen anything to that effect explicitly stated.

EDIT: It wasn't until later, in the non-canon Master File book for the VF-25, when the parallel became overt. That book established that the YF-25 and YF-27 were two of three prototypes competing in Project Triangler... a next gen main VF design competition in which the Macross Frontier, Macross Olympia, and Macross Galaxy fleets agreed to jointly develop a next-gen fighter to be adopted by all three. Macross Frontier fielded the YF-25, Olympia the YF-26, and Galaxy the YF-27. Since Olympia's YF-26 was a bust the YF-25 and YF-27 were left as the only competition, and the YF-25 won by default after it came out that the Galaxy fleet wasn't participating in good faith.


False Prophet wrote: Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:34 pm And, is there any behind-the-scene documents talking about why and how vastly different are the VF designed between 7 and Frontier? It is to me models like the VF-11 and VF-19 were a sky away from the VF-25 in appearance.
There may be something in Kawamori's biography about it, but I don't know.

There's over a decade of artistic progression in there, and the increasing use of CG meaning that these transformations depend less and less on "anime magic". Plus there's the aircraft his designs are loosely based on being different as well.


False Prophet wrote: Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:34 pm (By the way, did the VF-19 appeared in Frontier? In-universe, there must had been some still flied by the time of the Vajra-war, but I could not recall if it did or not on screen.)
Not in the series proper, no.

The Macross Frontier prequel Macross R does prominently feature VF-19s... but that's a light novel. There are some manga titles and the Macross 30 video game that prominently feature the VF-19 in use in the 2050s and 2060s.

The VF-19 was not widely adopted due to arms export restrictions imposed on it by the New UN Government after that little stunt of Isamu's in 2040, its high operating cost, and the controlability problems resulting from its incredibly high maneuverability making it very difficult for average pilots to handle it. As a result, it was only adopted in small numbers as a special forces VF and the 4th Gen main fighter role went to the VF-171 instead.
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Has the term "polarizing converging" as in the Macross' beam cannon ever been explained?

Also, I was just wondering if any of these agricultural ships in 7 appeared in Frontier, or did the 25th arcologies had their own integrated farms.
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Did we ever find out which Valkyrie/Fighter that was in a background photo for Windemere? It was a older unit and likely to be quite inferior given Windemere's resources back then.
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False Prophet wrote: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:48 pm Has the term "polarizing converging" as in the Macross' beam cannon ever been explained?
Not definitively, but the various types of converging beam cannon design all have qualifiers like that which refer to how the gun's barrel is structured. The "beam polarizing converging" design seems to refer to the Macross huge tuning fork-style beam focusing mechanism. Other configurations include assembled (clusters of smaller beam emitters that work in tandem), guided (big waveguides), and focusing (looks like a lens, twists space-time ala a pinpoint barrier to do different firing angles instead of having a movable barrel... these are the ones that produce your "bendy beams").


False Prophet wrote: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:48 pm Also, I was just wondering if any of these agricultural ships in 7 appeared in Frontier, or did the 25th arcologies had their own integrated farms.
Fifth generation emigrant ships like the titular Macross Frontier haven't been depicted using separate agricultural and/or aquacultural ships for food production. Something like half the fleet's total population (so ~5 million emigrant civilians and soldiers) live in the stacked urban sectors of Island-1, leaving a fair portion of the two dozen or so Island modules for other purposes. Alto and Sheryl visit a (dairy?) farm run by Zentradi farmers in the episode "Star Date".

It's never seen on screen, but in the light novel Macross the Ride the Macross Galaxy emigrant fleet is explicitly noted to still be using the older model discrete habitat ships for things like entertainment and food production, which they're noted to have renovated to improve efficiency by producing synthetic foods instead of engaging in agriculture and aquaculture. The climax of the story revolves around an anti-government group that is a remnant of the Latence group from Macross VF-X2 trying to hijack a Riviera-class entertainment ship belonging to Macross Galaxy.


yazi88 wrote: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:58 pm Did we ever find out which Valkyrie/Fighter that was in a background photo for Windemere? It was a older unit and likely to be quite inferior given Windemere's resources back then.
The one in all the old file photos of the Aerial Knights and King Grammier?

That's the Sv-154 Svard, a 4th Generation variable fighter that was Windermere IV's main VF in the 2050s and the early-to-mid 2060s until their adoption of the 5th Generation Sv-262 Draken III. We know almost nothing about it, except that it's probably a Dian Cecht SV Works product sold by the Epsilon Foundation, and that it supposedly compared favorably to the VF-171-II Nightmare Plus used by the Brisingr Alliance New UN Forces in atmospheric combat. So far the only story to feature it prominently is Macross Delta Gaiden: White Knight of the Black Wing, which depicts Keith and Roid's training as Knights and, from a bystander's view, the 2060 war between the New UN Government and Kingdom of the Wind.

The design is a modified reuse of an older Shoji Kawamori design from a non-Macross project called Air Cavalry Chronicles, the story from which was eventually developed into The Vision of Escaflowne. The design was called the LV-7 Valorious Rapier "Excalibur", and was a Fanelian Army unit. MAHQ has some pics of it, if you want to get a vague idea of what the Svard probably looks like in Battroid mode.
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Re: The Macross Valkyrie Thread

Thank you, I was wondering why it's sharp tip seemed familiar.
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yazi88 wrote: Fri Apr 06, 2018 2:57 am Thank you, I was wondering why it's sharp tip seemed familiar.
There's a great deal of interest in the Sv-154 Svard from the Macross mecha enthusiast community, since the SV Works design team now operating under Dian Cecht were originally founded under General Galaxy and are one of the very few surviving legacies of the Anti-Unification Alliance. The early history of the SV Works is a big blank spot, and that's frustrating since their mandate under General Galaxy was to develop VFs designed to fight and defeat VFs, the "Slayer of Valkyries" as it were. The Sv-154 is the oldest explicitly identified SV Works design, but the team was there and active almost from the get-go at General Galaxy in the late 2010s... there have to be at least four or five previous designs connecting it to the founder's previous work on the VF-4 under Stonewell/Bellcom and later work with Algus Selzaa on the VF-9 Cutlass.
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Re: The Macross Valkyrie Thread

Which improvements does Fold Dimensional Resonance System have over the Fold Wave System? I heard it was related to Fold Faults, but is it true?

Also, is it me or is Fold Quartz were being used more by Delta? Where did they find the source?
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False Prophet wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:12 pm Which improvements does Fold Dimensional Resonance System have over the Fold Wave System? I heard it was related to Fold Faults, but is it true?
As far as we know, the Fold Dimensional Resonance system is a more powerful version of the Fold Wave system used on the YF-29 (and VF-31 Custom). Like the Fold Wave system it can amplify fold waves (Song Energy) and tap into fold space for dimensional energy conversion. The only unique ability ascribed to the FDR system is it enables the YF-30 to pass through fold faults... including the artificial fold fault-based fold barriers (known as "fault folds") that the Vajra Queens and some Protoculture constructs used for defense.

Finding a way to break through fold faults is a pet project (read: "obsession") of Richard Bilra, founder of the interstellar cargo service Bilra Transport and its security subsidiary Strategic Military Services (SMS). SMS's presence on Uroboros, and its development of the YF-30 there, was an attempt to pursue that goal in relative secrecy, gaming the New UN Government's new technology disclosure laws by classifying the experimental aircraft as a production prototype.


False Prophet wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:12 pm Also, is it me or is Fold Quartz were being used more by Delta? Where did they find the source?
Fold quartz is an essential material component for the construction of all 5th Generation VFs.

Specifically, fold quartz is the heart of the Inertia Store Converter technology which insulates the VF's cockpit from the excessively high g-forces that would otherwise incapacitate (or kill) the pilot. Synthetic fold carbon like that used in most fold-based devices produced by the New UN Government is not capable of generating a sufficiently powerful dimensional shift effect to displace the necessary amount of g-forces. ISC technology is one of the defining functional improvements of the 5th Generation, though it's also the only fold quartz to be found in most 5th Gen VFs and only in small amounts.

So I guess you could say, without factoring in custom or one-of-a-kind VFs like the YF-29 or VF-31 Siegfried customs, fold quartz usage is on the rise. Since fold quartz cannot be synthesized by any means humanity currently possesses, fighters that adopt fold quartz-intensive technologies like the fold wave system are a monstrously expensive undertaking that are totally impractical for normal mass production. Particularly given that they require fold quartz crystals of exceptional size and purity that are only commonly found inside a Vajra Queen or Semi-Queen... attacking those is not an option for the faint of heart, or those fond of staying alive. Right now, the only production model VF that includes more fold quartz tech than just an ISC is the Sv-262 Draken III, which has a stripped-down version of the fold wave system called the fold reheat system, basically a glorified afterburner.

The necessary knowledge and technology to synthesize fold quartz were lost to history with the passing of the ancient Protoculture. The New UN Government has thus far been unable to adapt the technology that its tech industry uses to produce the less-potent low-purity equivalent known as fold carbon to production of fold quartz. As such, fold quartz is presently something of an (un)natural resource that is managed and regulated by the New UN Government. Hunting the Vajra is one option for acquiring fold quartz given the Vajra Queens naturally refine the stuff from raw materials harvested from supernova remnants, but it's an illegal practice and stupidly suicidal to boot. The preferred means of acquiring fold quartz is from mining and/or salvage operations on [planets/moons/asteroids/etc.] that were formerly home to Protoculture or Vajra colonies like Uroboros, Windermere IV, or the Vajra planet the Frontier fleet colonized in 2059. It's worth noting the New UN Government also strictly restricts trade in fold quartz to prevent (or at least to slow down) the proliferation of dimensional warheads.

(Restrictions on trade in fold quartz were part of the casus belli of Windermere IV's 2060 secession from the New UN Government. The Kingdom of the Wind was unhappy that the New UN Government was running the mining operations on their planet, and wanted more control over the mining and distribution process in the name of growing their predominantly agricultural economy.)
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Re: The Macross Valkyrie Thread

Is it just me or does looking at the YF-19 kind of reminding you of the GP01 Gundam? I don't know for sure, but there is this kind of "smoothness" that is only found on 90s-era Kawamori designs.

Not to mention the antagonism between the YF-19 and YF-21 is not unlike between the GP01 and GP02
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