Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
I never read the original article on Otona Anime, so I don't know the exact words he used in the interview 9 years ago.
The only version I can find is a summary translated in Chinese (with unknown accuracy, since the reason mentioned above) from a BBS based at Taiwan and I suspect that some descriptions about New Macross class in Japanese Wiki might be taken from that issue of Otona Anime.
Most of what's on the Japanese Wiki is straight out of
Macross Chronicle... but that doesn't mean the same things aren't said in
Otona Anime.
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
The summary has 11 points and some of them are also mentioned in Japanese Wiki.
Weird that the points are out of order to the original article... most of them are dead on, but it's just weird that they're out of order.
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
1: The reason behind reforming UN into NUN is humanity has already spread too far away from Earth, it is impossible for keep all colonies in line. The event in VF-X2 "is not totally responsible for this reformation".
The interview doesn't put it in quite those terms... they refer to the existing government before the decentralization just as "the old government", and that the reason for the reorganization was that the population was too spread out for that style of government to unite the people. When asked about the attempted coup in a separate question, he replies that the idea that the coup was responsible for the changes in the government "no longer fit in with the realities of the
Macross world".
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
(Japanese Wiki mentioned that all planets and fleets are under the rule of NUN with a high degree of autonomy, they can even issue their own currencies. They are similar to the regional states or city-states in the past and very close to independent countries.)
Later in the interview, Kawamori indicated the most comparable modern governing body to the New UN Government is the European Union. (In the same statement, he mentions that the distance between some colonies and Earth is such that it'd take ten years to make the trip one-way.)
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
4: There are dozens of colonization fleets and their flagships ranges from Megaroad, New Macross, Island Cluster to non-Macross classes.
He sprinkles the word "dozens" in there pretty liberally. There are, according to him, dozens of active fleets, including ones that have and don't have
Macross-class ships. He also says there are dozens of
Macross-class ships currently traveling in search of new colonies. In follow-up questions on that point, he elaborates on what ships they use for fleets that don't have a
Macross-type ship.
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
5: Some colony ships are used for multiple times.
He doesn't exactly say that... what he does say is instead of replacing ships in the field, they simply continue to add on to what the fleets already have, and that it's a losing proposition if you don't use the ship for a dozen or more years.
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
6: Zentradi-only colonization fleets exist behind the scene.
This summary point appears to be a merger of two unrelated points.
He indicates there are colony fleets that are using converted Zentradi Army warships as emigrant ships, and that there have been approximately 100 such ships modified. (
Macross Chronicle indicates these are used in short ranged emigrant fleet missions operating close to Earth, and that one such fleet was the one that discovered Eden in 2013.)
He also says, in a follow-up question, that there are some fleets where the colonist population is entirely Zentradi. He never says they're in the background though... I mean, who could forget Macross-5?
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
7: Implant technologies are only allowed in recent years, there are still places like Frontier that bans implant for non-medical usage.
He does say the ban on implants has recently been lifted (
Chronicle and other sources put this at ~2048), but he doesn't comment on Frontier's ban on implant tech. (Other sources indicate Frontier's government restricts the use of implants partly for security reasons and partly because the ship is a bioplant sealed system and they'd like to keep the matter of recycling biomass as simple as possible.)
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
8: Companies influencing the fleets becomes more common.
(Also appears in Japanese Wiki)
Also, not exactly right... he says corporations have become a lot more powerful, and that some of them have more power than an emigrant fleet. Whoever summarized the article may have been interposing thoughts from other sources about how Frontier and Galaxy are both corporate-backed fleets.
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
9: Fold fault was discovered by the advances in observation technology.
Also, close but not quite.
The actual statement is made by the interviewer, and affirmed by Kawamori, that humanity proved the existence of fold faults when humanity started examining Zentradi sensor systems that were already able to detect fold faults. Zentradi fleets themselves apparently ignore fold faults, since they don't fit neatly into their conditioned assessment behavior of "friend or foe".
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
10: Fold-com goes faster than fold travel, but it takes almost a year for a message to reach all corners of the galaxy.
Sort of. He says when it's slow it can take a few months, and when it's really bad it can take a year... and that fold faults play merry hell with the ability to maintain consistent fold communications.
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
11: Sheryl is being forgotten because of this and her V-Type Symptom.
No, it's mentioned in the same part of the interview, but what they attribute Sheryl's decline in popularity to is that once the war started it was more difficult for her to promote herself because Galaxy Network usage was restricted.
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
If the war totally unrelated to the decentralization, Kawamori simply threw consistence away or forgot VF-X 2 and all the novels would be non-canon, as Kodachi set up so many things based on the conflicts before reformation of UN into NUN.
As I noted before, the New UN Government is something that was first mentioned all the way back in the original series' postwar arc. (Ep28-36) It's explicitly referenced in the dialog of the series.
Instead of being the cause of the governmental reorganization, the matter with Latence is now a reaction to the gradual decentralization of governing authority. It still happened, and it's still on the official chronology, just the reasons for it are a bit different.
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
Even Kodachi said the Macross novels he wrote could be see as "the same historic event from another viewpoint", "historic drama", some elements from his novels were mentioned in Macross Chronicles, like Ozma joined UNS after dropped out from high school and Isamu flew YF-24 in tests, the novels still got some canonicity at least.
The novels draw on some canon elements, but that doesn't make them canon in and of themselves... at least as far as things like the official encyclopedia and other official publications go. Kawamori's attitude differs, of course.
Phonix_1 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2017 7:56 am
The "Story within a story" status of Macross works is the last reason I would like use, since it ruins all the fun and makes all discussions meaningless, even though it can solve all inconsistencies.
Yeah, I'm not super happy with Kawamori's broad strokes attitude towards canon either, but Big West disagrees with him on that and they tend to be better at having the final word since they actually OWN
Macross.