General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by Deathzealot » Tue May 26, 2015 8:43 pm

Sorry to Necro this thread...again. But I just want to put out that G-Reco finally has a page on Fanfiction.net for those who wanted to do a G-Reco story. Granted it only has one story currently... but still...have to start somewhere.

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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by Amion » Wed May 27, 2015 1:03 pm

After my disaster with AGE, I feel less inclined to hurl myself into G-Reco for some reason.

Though I had this interesting idea whereby characters visit Saturn and encounter a cone-shaped orbital elevator composed of threads like those at Venus Globe or the Cathedral atop Capital Tower. It's the place where they used Helium 3 to manufacture the Venus Globe modules themselves, Jupiter's gravity being a bit too much for the delicate process...

The people who live there have degenerated into thin, small creatures that live inside cybernetic "armor suits", and live partially hooked up to the factory computer network. They're so caught up in the efficiency of their factory production that they no longer possess many human emotions, despite being proud descendants of some of the "greatest scientific minds and peacemakers of the UC era".

They're currently building Photon Modules for race of people living on Uranus, who have the intention of carrying out the EXODUS plan before an impending Solar Flare damages the Earth. (La Gu mentioned in episode 21 of Reconguista that enough Globe modules could move the Earth. This was an allusion to the EXODUS plan, which was meant to stop the planet from getting fried by a possible nova by moving it to another star system, or maybe even strike out for Andromeda. The sun calmed down and the events of the Reguild Century happened, cutting off production of enough Photon Globes to carry through with the plan)
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Use of acronyms and portmanteaus in Gundam

Post by degwin_zabi » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:32 pm

I know that some were used like ZAFT among others in Seed, but I think that a few could've been used nicely in the Universal Century. :wink: Of course there was the Anti Earth Union Group, but they should've thought of a better name to show that they weren't the second coming of Spacenoid aggression. And having both "Union" and "Group" kind of sounds repetitive. Not to mention, I don't know why it was separate in organizational terms from the Karaba aside from resources and location. While a fan fiction writing associate of mine did make a good point of one being unnecessary for the Titans, I still think it would've sounded a bit cool and it would fit the Titans' anti-SHIELD mannerisms. And while I can imagine a guy like Zeon Zum Deikun becoming more name famous overtime like George Washington and Galileo Galilei, doing it while he's alive or immediately after death sounds egotistical and premature. As of now, I've thought of two acronyms and a portmanteau for a Universal Century of my own redesign. Zenith Unionism, the ideals of advocating Newtype evolution, Spacer independence, and Earth's environmental health as taught by Con Tol Deikun (I got the new name from Contolism which is supposed to be his ideas as told on his Wiki article). Terrestrial Initiative for Terrorist Attack Neutralization, the counter-insurgency agency who's members are referred to as Titans. And finally, the Karaba Equality Group, an activist faction that's physically hostile against the Titans, but gains ground with the Earth Federation overtime. Is anyone else thinking of an acronym and/or portmanteau for the Gundams? Don't be shy.

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Re: Use of acronyms and portmanteaus in Gundam

Post by toysdream » Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:54 pm

I think this probably belongs in the "Fanfiction" topic, right? Or is that only for completed stories?

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Re: Use of acronyms and portmanteaus in Gundam

Post by degwin_zabi » Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:01 pm

toysdream wrote:I think this probably belongs in the "Fanfiction" topic, right? Or is that only for completed stories?

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Uh, sorry. I guess I wasn't thinking that far ahead when I thoughts of this. But I suppose we can always consider this as speculation. If not, I'll see what I can do to move it.

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Re: Use of acronyms and portmanteaus in Gundam

Post by ShadowCell » Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:05 pm

i'm not sure where this topic would go, but seeing as how it's just "make up some forced acronyms and stuff for Gundam!" i'm not sure what the point of it is anyway.

i guess i'll send it off to fanfiction.

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Re: Use of acronyms and portmanteaus in Gundam

Post by degwin_zabi » Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:10 pm

ShadowCell wrote:i'm not sure where this topic would go, but seeing as how it's just "make up some forced acronyms and stuff for Gundam!" i'm not sure what the point of it is anyway.

i guess i'll send it off to fanfiction.
Okay, sure. I guess I was just comparing it to real world stuff or something. I don't know. I thought it was fascinating to talk about.

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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by Hyakushiki » Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:34 pm

What's wrong with Zeon being named after the guy who founded the state in the first place? There has been a precedent for naming states and governmental systems even while said persons were still alive, and why not if they put in the work to build a nation state they should have every right to name it after themselves, or the people of those countries had enough respect for them that they honored them such. So yeah ego played a part in it, but that in and of itself isn't a bad thing, half of the counties in my home state of Maryland and even state itself were named after British lords and ladies who were living at the time mostly so they would give us money and flattery goes a long way for that.

Honestly, most people hated how Gundam SEED overused acronyms to the point of abuse, most were ridiculous word salad, forced meaning for its own sake becomes meaningless.

That said the Titans acronym isn't bad but that Zeon one, no, just no.
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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by degwin_zabi » Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:45 pm

Hyakushiki wrote:What's wrong with Zeon being named after the guy who founded the state in the first place? There has been a precedent for naming states and governmental systems even while said persons were still alive, and why not if they put in the work to build a nation state they should have every right to name it after themselves, or the people of those countries had enough respect for them that they honored them such. So yeah ego played a part in it, but that in and of itself isn't a bad thing, half of the counties in my home state of Maryland and even state itself were named after British lords and ladies who were living at the time mostly so they would give us money and flattery goes a long way for that.

Honestly, most people hated how Gundam SEED overused acronyms to the point of abuse, most were ridiculous word salad, forced meaning for its own sake becomes meaningless.

That said the Titans acronym isn't bad but that Zeon one, no, just no.
I don't know. It may have worked in the days when men and women were openly proud of themselves and subservient to others, but I'm not sure that should be a norm for today or tomorrow. I suppose my definition of a great leader is someone who's both proud and modest. I guess SEED tried to make short terms that actually sounded like names. What's wrong Zenith Unionism?

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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by ShadowCell » Fri Jun 19, 2015 11:53 pm

Gundam was not exactly crying out for more silly forced acronyms in the first place, which is exactly what "Zenith Unionism" would be. Zeon is quite reasonably named after Zeon Zum Daikun because it's his ideals that the Principality claims to uphold (and aren't we fortunate that the leader of Munzo wasn't named something more commonplace or we'd have the Principality of Gary). it doesn't really have anything to do with "zeniths" or "unions"

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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by degwin_zabi » Sat Jun 20, 2015 12:06 am

ShadowCell wrote:Gundam was not exactly crying out for more silly forced acronyms in the first place, which is exactly what "Zenith Unionism" would be. Zeon is quite reasonably named after Zeon Zum Daikun because it's his ideals that the Principality claims to uphold (and aren't we fortunate that the leader of Munzo wasn't named something more commonplace or we'd have the Principality of Gary). it doesn't really have anything to do with "zeniths" or "unions"
I just thought it would be interesting. I also figured that Deikun, the reasonable, non-hysterical Deikun from the Origin, would believe that humanity was reaching it's zenith which basically means culmination upon the Newtype ascension and would need a new form of unity to advance into space. That's where his activist group, the Zenith Union, comes around, turns into a political party like the American Democrats, and becomes synonymous with Munzo's governments among other things in name. Besides, it's religious meaning in the real world aside, I remade Zeon as portmanteau. It's not necessarily the same thing as an acronym. They maybe similar, but that's not the point. You can always call it Zeonism, if you wish.

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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by degwin_zabi » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:05 am

Public reception is important after all, and I believe the public largely favors a leader with a healthy ego. Not counting those personality cults. I wouldn't mind celebrating Deikun's birthday after he dies a supposed martyr, or naming a city after him while he lives as long as he does more than a decade of accomplishments, but I don't see the good PR effect it would have, if his first name, no matter how cool it sounds, is used to describe practically everything about Munzo.

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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by degwin_zabi » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:38 pm

This is where I'm discussing ideas. After this, I'll probably unsubscribe from the topic. And please try to bare with me.http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:72906

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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by Antares » Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:20 pm

Hyakushiki said:
Honestly, most people hated how Gundam SEED overused acronyms to the point of abuse, most were ridiculous word salad, forced meaning for its own sake becomes meaningless.
Yes. At first it was kind of cute, then it was "OK, that's enough", and by the time Destroy Gundam and its OS rolled around it was mostly "pls stahp".

But hey, that's a what fanfiction is about: you rename the universe according to your liking. Earth Alliance or Earth Union, it doesn't really make a lick of difference in your own work. Canon is just... canon. The names in it are the names in it.

Maybe Zeon Zum Daikun didn't want his name to be synonymous with their struggle, but that's what it became, possibly for both internal and external preferences. And it stuck.

You also forget, degwin_zabi, that many governments are named after their prime ministers. You can try to think up a name for your government that kicks ass, like "The Avengers of Austerity", but other people are quite free to poke fun at that and call you "The lame nerds" or something. ;)
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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by amitakartok » Wed Sep 16, 2015 4:51 am

In case anyone still visits this topic, is this the right place to ask questions for an ongoing story of mine that I'm not willing to make a thread for yet?

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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by Deathzealot » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:11 am

Pretty much. Refer to some of the earlier posts in this thread. However please be aware that Necroing a thread like this is quite frowned upon. Granted this thread in particular isn't that much of a hassle but other threads, and their readers would be quite upset if you do.

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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by amitakartok » Wed Sep 16, 2015 3:40 pm

Well... if the post dates I'm seeing are of any indication, pretty much all posts in this section of the forum are necros. Not that I'm going to necro my own posts, or anything; I'd like to think I'm a bit too old for that.

I'm not asking about a story idea; the story is already being posted on Spacebattles and Sufficient Velocity, currently 20 chapters (~70,000 words) in. What I'm asking about are stuff I'm planning to include later - you know, to make sure it's a good idea before I put it in.

The reason why I'm asking here is because, although it's an Evangelion story, it draws very heavy inspiration from Gundam and Armored Core. So much that I'm pretty sure you guys will accuse me of unoriginality. Anyway, what I'm meaning is that I'm treating the Evas like Gundams/NEXTs: not the only kind of mecha around, but it's individually superior to the mass-produced counterparts, paying for its superior performance with being too expensive to be mass-produced by itself. As of 20 chapters in, currently taking place in late 2041, the Evas' overall tech level is roughly equivalent to that of a Gouf. It would be more accurate of me to say Gundam Ground-Type, but they have no access to beam weapons of any kind yet. The currently planned speed of technological advancement:
  • Early 2042: beam rifles and flight equipment. Roughly analogous to the Tallgeese.
  • Mid-2042: flight equipment modified for space use (Zephyrantes), mechanical limbs allowing partial transformation (BuCUE), heavy fire support exoskeleton (Astray Red Frame Power Loader).
  • Late 2042: rudimentary powered movement assist systems, used as recoil dampeners.
  • 2047: advanced power source (GN drive).
  • 2048: prototype heavy assault equipment (Physallis).
  • 2049: ground-combat hoverjets (DOM).
  • 2055: upgraded space propulsion system (Sinanju).
  • 2057: exotic propulsion system (Destiny), redesigned internal power grid (Trans-Am), experimental neural interface upgrade (psycoframe), remote weapons (DRAGOON).
  • 2058: high-spec assault exoskeleton (ZZ), beam tonfas and anti-ship swords, cyclonic particle shield (GN field).
  • 2067: Dummy Remote Control System (GX Bit).
  • 2068: Hexacore Energy Discharge System (Satellite Cannon).
Is this speed of advancement acceptable?

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Next question. As mentioned above, Evas aren't the only mechas in the story. When looking for another mecha from Evangelion canon, the only one most fans can name would be the horrible-looking contraption called Jet Alone - but as some others know, there is another: the Trident, a two-legged design that can best be described as a two-legged, flight-capable BuCUE. While this was much closer to my liking, it still wasn't quite what I wanted.

What I eventually settled upon is portraying the Trident as a lightweight humanoid chassis with a simple transformation mechanism, something like a Gaplant/Hambrabi hybrid. This shows in the difference in design principles as well. As you know, Evas have an organic body under the armor, thus they are forced to mount and store all their equipment externally; this makes them bulky and heavy, compounded by the fact that they are about as aerodynamic as a brick. A Trident, on the other hand, has considerable internal space for integrated weapons and can fold up into a more compact shape as well. The result is that, while a Trident cannot match an Evangelion one-in-one in either toughness or physical strength, it is much more agile and swifter.

A further difference is that the Evas' organic interior makes them much slower to create and repair, whereas Tridents, being machines, can be mass-produced at an assembly line. This all finally comes down to Trident pilots' standard combat doctrine when facing Evas: they use wolfpack tactics and high-speed hit and run attacks to break up the enemy formation, then surround individual units and basically circlestrafe them with broadside missile salvos.

Is this line of reasoning sound?

The above-described is known as the Trident's Interceptor configuration, used for aerial and space combat. For ground combat, the transformation mechanism is disabled, the mecha's frame is reinforced to withstand gravity, plus extra armor is added to compensate for its decreased mobility, turning it into a Virtue-esque behemoth.

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Next question. In the above tech-advancement list, I mentioned a Trans-Am-like system. This might suggest a performance-increasing mechanism; it is, but not in the way you'd think.

Y'see, the Eva it was designed for is a next-generation technology demonstrator prototype that gets pushed into actual combat (and highly distinguishes itself). Its biggest innovation is its advanced flight propulsion system; I don't have a name for it yet, but I do know how it works: it captures particles from the surrounding environment, ionizes them, feeds them through a powerful particle accelerator and expels them through a series of nozzles at near-relativistic speed. This provides extremely strong thrust with no fuel requirements whatsoever. On the other hand, it is so power-hungry that the Eva's reactor is unable to keep it running on full power, restricting it to a reduced output at all times. When at 100%, it has crazy-powerful acceleration and an atmospheric top speed well into the hypersonic range.

In order to be able to go all-out, the Eva's internal batteries were replaced with a series of high-output supercapacitors, plugged into the Eva's primary power grid. Under normal operation, excess reactor power is used to charge these capacitors. On command, the capacitors discharge into the power grid, allowing the Eva's systems and equipment to drain more power than the Eva's reactor is normally capable of supplying. Unlike Trans-Am, the capacitors are not time-limited: they can run as long as they have charge in them, but they are not infinite. The only caveat on this system is that dumping so much power into the power grid causes the grid to physically heat up to flesh-searing temperatures, requiring the deployment of external heatsinks to keep the Eva from catastrophically overheating.

The Eva's late-series upgrade would include an auxiliary battery array connected externally, increasing the system's activation time. Additionally, the heatsinks get supplemented with a droplet dispenser to improve heat dissipation, causing the Eva to leave a vapor trail after itself as it moves.

Is this a good enough justification for a performance-increasing "super mode"?

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This is all that comes to mind right now. More questions later, if answers for these come.

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Re: General Fanfiction Discussion 2: Electric Boogaloo

Post by amitakartok » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:13 am

Well, nobody seemed to have cared about my last post. So here's a plot bunny that came to me yesterday.

Amuro fails to stop Axis.

With the Earth devastated and plunged into mass famine, the Federation collapses practically overnight and the Sides descend into cutthroat infighting over filling in the power vacuum. EFSF remnants wanting to restore order, Neo-Zeon remnants wanting to restore the Principality, Neo-Zeon remnants wanting to carry on Char's legacy, Neo-Zeon remnants wanting to carry on Zeon Deikun's legacy, independents wanting nothing to do with the above, third parties fostering the conflict for their own ends (hello, Anaheim)... it's a gigantic clusterF of anarchy and backstabbing that reduces the Earth Sphere into rubble. When the dust settles, the few still intact colonies decide there's nothing left worth fighting over and fly off to Jupiter.

Thing is, the Jovians watched the whole thing go down and concluded that the Earthers are all crazed warmongers who bring nothing but ruin. To that end, those colonies that made it to Jupiter were summarily gassed and the Jovian leadership declared the Exclusion Doctrine: any and all direct or indirect contact with Earth is forbidden on pain of death. Any radio signals from an Earth Sphere source are to receive no response and any vessel that tries to cross into the asteroid belt is to be intercepted and destroyed without warning. For all intents and purposes, the inner Solar System is placed under quarantine.

Fast-forward 300 years, Cosmic Era. The Earth Sphere have mostly recovered, albeit with great difficulty - partly due to the Jovians' treatment of them. Predictably, there's no small amount of resentment Earthers have towards Jovians, along with paranoia of what those crazed spacenoids have been up to for the past centuries. This paranoia is what resulted in the creation of the Coordinators this time around, with some scientists having dug up historical records about Cyber-Newtypes and decided to perfect the process as a trump card against a possible Jovian invasion. Of course, Blue Cosmos stirred ZOINKS up because they have a particular hatred towards enhanced humans of any kind due to the fact that the Collapse was caused by one.

With no access to Jupiter, the Earth Sphere has limited helium-3 available, hence the decline in fusion reactors and beam weapons. And as soon as the war began, one of the first things ZAFT did was to start excavations in Von Braun and Granada. You see, after Anaheim tried to manipulate the Collapse to their own ends one too many times, a pissed third party nuked their headquarters and bombed all their branch facilities - but historical records retained their locations. ZAFT's excavation efforts are after whatever lost technology that could lie buried beneath the rubble and OMNI know that too, so the Moon basically got turned into a WWI battleground in space as the two sides are continuously trying to dislodge each other.

With the Earth being threatened from space once more, OMNI decide to take a final step of desperation and resurrect an old legend. A legend that already protected Earth once before.

Gundam.

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